StillPaisleyCat

A fixed point in time is literally called a ‘time crystal’ in physics.

Now that’s theory that developed after Dr Who put it out into the global conversation, much as Albucierre’s Warp theory and Star Trek. It doesn’t make it any less a completely valid science fiction explanation.

In terms of time pushing back, entropy comes into it. Pushing an essential event further down the time stream should be harder, but pushing it to an earlier date would be orders of magnitude harder. Eliminating the event altogether and forking the time steam into a new course will be much more difficult than either.

It can be argued that First Contact is classic example of time pushing back. While the Enterprise was able to ensure the first warp flight happened in the very narrow window, there were slippages in the details around the event regardless of the preservation of the date. The Prime Universe timeline was overwritten, just not as obviously as in a change of a calendar date.

But as we saw with the Discovery transiting back and forth to the MU (albeit via a radically different mechanism), the calendar was not aligned when they returned - days became 9 months.

So we have no reassuring whatsoever that the Defiant was in sync, or that their database was still in sync with the Prime Universe that carried on without them.

Addendum: Calendars are dependent on where they function and the speed of travel (as we are aware from relativity) unless insulated in a warp bubble or equivalent. Not sure why we expect the computer databases on starships to compensate accurately for unknown phenomena like falling through a vortex.)

I’m going to say that I am always dubious about relying on dates in the Mirror Universe to pin down the Prime Timeline.

There seems always to be slippage or error in correspondence between the two universes, and time spent in one doesn’t necessarily map one to one to the other (transit mechanics notwithstanding).

If we take Kovich’s point that there haven’t been interactions between the Prime Universe and Georgiou’s Mirror Universe for centuries, it seems that the two universes had already diverged so profoundly by the late 24th century, that DS9 offers us some of the last crossovers.

More generally, I’m comfortable with taking Sera’s statement as an approximation of speech. She’s not Vulcan. With that, I would put T+T+T as taking place no earlier than say 2021 but unlikely later than 2030.

As for the rest, I’m comfortable with time and events being overwritten somewhat within the Prime Universe as long as the major event marker points remain effectively in place. It’s these key events, and their casual relationships that are essential to maintain - not a date.

To me, it’s much more problematic that fans (and writers) tried to retcon a disconnect between the Eugenics wars and WW3 in order to respect Roddenberry’s direction that in the TNG pilot Encounter at Farpoint, WW3 was described as being in the mid 21st century.

Likewise, moving the development of space technology back from the late 90s, especially the first FTL flight, was key to placing Warp technology post WW3, but it takes a lot of selective interpretation to discount the statements in TOS.

For those of us who were already longstanding fans when TNG premiered, these were significant inconsistencies in the sequencing and causation..

For some, it was one of the major barriers in accepting TNG a as a continuation of the same universe. While many of us, myself included, rolled with it, it wasn’t all that different than many of the criticisms of Discovery and SNW in terms of changing the timeline.

I have also taken note that tie-in author Christopher L Bennet has been pondering (over in the comments on the TOR review of this episode), that there’s been a longstanding discontinuity (or rather shift) in the timeline between TOS and TAS and TNG.

I can see why, especially as their astrophysics consultant will back up the science of it, Goldsman as TOS fan since the 60s & 70s would want to clean up the sequencing of key events over the previously established dates in order to enable fans to view the Star Trek their possible future.

My own view?

If we use the major river of time analogy for events in the Prime Universe, we could think of the version of Eugenics wars, WW3 and Warp / First Contact of TOS in the 1990s and early 21st century as a kind of oxbow, an arc now cut off, but with the bend in the river replicated slightly further down the time stream.

I also like @khaosworks@startrek.website ’s notion of a palimpsest analogy where the incursions into the time stream over write past versions but there remain artifacts of the earlier versions.

We also have Kirk’s reference to being incarcerated in a Denobulan prison with a Vulcan.

I felt as though something was lost when Odo rarely shifted. It became an almost implausible possibility despite being an essential component of his identity.

Like it.

Our kids loved the offerings from Orchard Games in preschool, kindergarten and early primary. Some are available in French as well as English.

They are definitely ECD-informed and target specific development points, but the kids loved them and they definitely made them table top gamers.

There was one that was a pick your route game called ‘Round and Round’ where you sang ‘The Wheels on the Bus’ each time a stop was reached. I don’t see it listed currently. It’s not the same as Orchard’s counting game called ‘Bus Stop’ which is also popular.

As a Relaunch Litverse fan, I really liked the introduction of the competing Typhon Pact as a way to bring in a number of the less profiled species.

Having a different kind of interstellar government from the Federation in a Cold War rivalry for planets and civilizations was an interesting backdrop for the entire era. Creating an opponent that brought together a number of the less known species including the Breen, Tzenkethi, Tholians, Gorn as well as remnants of the Romulan Empire was inspired.

We never got to see as much of the Typhon Pact in the books as I would have liked. The concept though was inspired and one that would fit well in the early 25th century portrayed in Picard.

As for the Sheliak, the novelverse has them in conflict with the Breen for additional complexity.

The newest era of Trek hasn’t hesitated to integrate some of the more successful experiments from the novels, including Una’s name and Illyrian genetic modifications. The Typhon Pact of the Litverse has a lot to offer without being a direct competitor to the world building since Nemesis.

Thanks for the heads up. It was a trusted brand name.

In the 32nd century, my headcanon is that the programmable matter is just bricking into something that looks like rock.

For the 24th century, conductive concrete as a Faraday cage and frame for the bridge modules. (…and yes conductive concrete Faraday cages exist in real life, even if they’re not quite the same shade of gray).

There are some communities that feel garlic or regular onions are too strong, and substitute the white of leeks. It does affect the resulting taste, but if your wife tolerates them, it’s an option.

My own suggestions for recipes would include some classic Slavic dishes where onions aren’t essential. These do exist, 😁 particularly ones that mix sweet, sour and savoury flavours. e.g., Crepes/nalasnyky filled with farmers’ cheese and butter or cream, traditionally served with sour cherry or strawberry preserves on top, are a favourite. For a savoury version, try these nalasnyky with dill in the cheese filling.

It doesn’t take long to find communities with the Lemmy Community-Browser.

Yes, it would be easier if we could just join from the sidebars without having to copy to your own instance’s search page. But once you’ve subscribed, it’s fairly seamless and avoids an algorithm pushing subs at you.