Odinkirk

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[–] Odinkirk@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 months ago

Nonviolence is an inherently privileged position in the modern context. Besides the fact that the typical pacifist is quite clearly white and middle class, pacifism as an ideology comes from a privileged context. It ignores that violence is already here; that violence is an unavoidable, structurally integral part of the current social hierarchy; and that it is people of color who are most affected by that violence. Pacifism assumes that white people who grew up in the suburbs with all their basic needs met can counsel oppressed people, many of whom are people of color, to suffer patiently under an inconceivably greater violence, until such time as the Great White Father is swayed by the movement’s demands or the pacifists achieve that legendary “critical mass. -- How Nonviolence Serves the State

[–] Odinkirk@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 months ago

Critical support for the collection of Dims, Ghosts, and Gimmees just trying to make a better life for themselves.

[–] Odinkirk@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 5 months ago

And in strange memory caches, even death may die.

[–] Odinkirk@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

A lot of my head canon around this and the notable lack of automation prevalent in Starfleet: it's a futuristic, post-scarcity jobs program. Yes, it's about exploration and rendering assistance and all that. But it gives people something to do, a way to serve the whole. Picard said as much to Geordi when Scotty was aboard. I've of the many things Starfleet does is give people a sense of usefulness.

[–] Odinkirk@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Insert joker eating popcorn gif here.

[–] Odinkirk@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago

Were we watching the same speech? The one where she condemns them, but states that she doesn't have the freedom to kill someone that another might live (in this scenario, killing an alien for the sake of a crewman) and ultimately decides to turn them loose with a promise of reprisal if encountered again?

[–] Odinkirk@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Janeway's own log started that Tuvix was better than the sun of the parts; a better cook and tactical officer. The point of a team is that no one person is a point of failure. Factoring in a hypothetical future scenario is spurious.

An extrajudicial execution (to be charitable) for no crime is beyond most ethical frameworks.

And not one person has even tried to reconcile the speech to the Vidiians.

[–] Odinkirk@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 8 months ago

I understand but disagree with that perspective. To me they were not alive at the time. However, you still haven't accounted for the rest. Reconcile the Majalis problem and Janeway's own speech to the Vidiians.

[–] Odinkirk@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If you abandon your principles when things get hard then they're not principles; they're hobbies.

[–] Odinkirk@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 8 months ago

You'd fit right in on Majalis then.

[–] Odinkirk@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The two crew members that were lost at the same time Tuvix appeared? The dead (not alive) ones? And again, square this with the speech she gave the Vidiians.

If you're going to refute, then address the whole thing.

[–] Odinkirk@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (8 children)

This is not a trolley problem in that there is sequence involved:

1: Tuvok and Neelix alive before transport

2: Tuvok and Neelix dead and a new rational being in their place. This being had a moral blank slate and are thus blameless for the circumstances of creation.

3: Janeway decides that the speech she gave to the Vidiians was just hot air and that she will kill Tuvix to get the original two back. (Non lethal ways were explored, but quickly abandoned)

4: The blameless being makes an articulate case for their life, and even addresses the "needs of the many" argument by stating the truth: the other two are gone and the new being is there. (Raw, unalloyed utilitarianism is problematic at best, just ask the people of ~~Omelas~~ Majalis)

5: The doctor straight up says that the procedure is unethical and refuses to do it.

6: Janeway does it anyway.

Calling it a trolley problem is reductive and inaccurate.

(Edited for typo.)

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