GuyFleegman

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[–] GuyFleegman@startrek.website 1 points 11 months ago

Right, I said it's "not bad," hardly a ringing endorsement. It had some good ideas and concepts but it also has a lot of flaws, which is why it's quite unfortunate that it's the best Discovery ever managed.

[–] GuyFleegman@startrek.website 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Right? Put Lorca on the front of my list to round out all four seasons. The outsiders carry the cast.

[–] GuyFleegman@startrek.website 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

My problem with season 4 wasn't that it was slow, but that it was uninspired and by-the-numbers. I had worked out that the DMA was a "stepping on an anthill" situation by... episode 4, maybe? 5 at the latest. So then I got to watch one of the oldest tropes in sci-fi unfold for 8 more episodes, played completely straight. Yawn.

I'd rather watch the B-plot from S01E06 of Babylon 5 to experience that particular story again. That way I'd be done in an hour.

[–] GuyFleegman@startrek.website 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children)

Yes, exactly. Season 1 knew what it wanted to be. When it was over, I remember thinking "alright, not bad, I'm excited to watch this show grow the beard."

But it never did. In retrospect, Season 1 is the strongest season the show had to offer. Each subsequent season got a little worse as plots got more confusing, themes got more muddled, and no breakout characters emerged to carry the show through an abundance of narrative turmoil and worldbuilding strangeness. But above all else, seasons 3 and 4 are just boring. I don't care about the crew or their mission. The most interesting characters are consistently the outsiders: Pike, Vance, Rillak. I'll be watching season 5, but mostly out of a sense of obligation and morbid curiosity.

As much as I like SNW, it's still not quite the show I've been waiting since 2005 for: seven curious officers on a ship called Enterprise set in the mid-25th century. I worry that SNW has robbed us of the opportunity to see the classic formula set in the immediate post-TNG era... even though that seems to be what season three of Picard was explicitly setting up.

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[–] GuyFleegman@startrek.website 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

La’An calls the Klingon ship a K’t’inga-class. This is a slight anachronism, as the K’t’inga-class, first seen in TMP and named in Roddenberry’s novelization, is supposed to be a distinct and more advanced version of the D7-class battlecruiser commonly seen in TOS. We could handwave it away as Temporal War shenanigans or being one of the first advanced models introduced or both. La’An is correct that the K’t’inga has an aft torpedo launcher (as opposed to the D7’s forward-only launcher).

I've always suspected that the D7 and the K’t’inga are the same class of ship and the differences are the result of a refit, an appropriate mirror of its Starfleet counterpart. It's too bad we've heard Klingons refer to it as the "D7," because if not for that I'd suggest K’t’inga is the classes actual name while D7 is its Starfleet "reporting name."

The background music that plays behind M'Benga's confession is a callback to "The Battle For Peace," the soundtrack for the climatic battle between the Enterprise, the Excelsior, and Chang's Bird-of-Prey at the end of The Undiscovered Country.

And of course when that confession escalates to confrontation, it transitions to the iconic Klingon leifmotif, first heard in The Motion Picture.

[–] GuyFleegman@startrek.website 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It’s almost as if time itself is pushing back and events reinsert themselves and all this was supposed to happen back in 1992 and I’ve been trapped here for 30 years!

This line is a pretty conspicuous breach of the fourth wall placed there by the current stewards of the franchise to tell us that we’re back to pre-Kelvin timeline time travel rules. The whole “time travel creates two discrete timelines” notion is gone. It was a one-off to justify the Kelvin timeline, and now we’re done with it.

It’s all one timeline and while that timeline is in a constant state of flux due to time travelers tinkering with it on a regular basis, it’s still one big wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey timeline. Therefore, the answer to every “are X and Y in the same timeline?” question is a continuously shifting “maybe” which largely depends on how you choose to understand “the timeline.”

To put a finer point on it, this is the writing staff telling the fanbase to chill out about timelines. Akiva Goldsman speaking to CinemaBlend, emphasis mine:

This is a correction. Because otherwise, it’s silly, or Star Trek ceases to be in our universe…By the way, this happened in Season 1, so this is not a Season 2 [issue]. It’s a pilot issue. We want Star Trek to be an aspirational future. We want to be able to dream our way into the Federation as a Starfleet. I think that is the fun of it, in part. And so, in order to keep Star Trek in our timeline, we continue to push dates forward. At a certain point, we won’t be able to. But obviously, if you start saying that the Eugenics Wars were in the 90s, you're kind of fucked for aspirational in terms of the real world.

Translation: the Star Trek canon is going to keep shifting forward to accommodate keeping it in our future. More broadly, we should all accept some measure of canon flexibility so Star Trek is always set in an aspirational future, well suited for telling morality tales in space which are relevant to modern issues.

[–] GuyFleegman@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're characterizing what is likely to be the best reviewed game of the year as "nothing special" and you "don't see how" that's a hot take? Really?

[–] GuyFleegman@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What exactly do you think "hot take" means?

[–] GuyFleegman@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hence, "hot take."

 

Uh, newest SNW episode spoilers I guess.

In "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow" we are introduced to James Kirk, captain of the UEF Enterprise. This prefix is visible on the dedication plaque when La'an arrives on the bridge.

Curiously, later in the episode when La'an asks Kirk where he was born he says the USS Iowa.

What gives? Was the Iowa was a cargo ship? Maybe in this timeline, "USS" stands for "United Shipping Service." Or perhaps at some point, UEF ships did use the prefix and they changed it because the wanted "Earth" more clearly in the identifier.

What do you think?

 

In "The Wounded," Captain Picard and the Enterprise are tasked with intercepting the USS Phoenix, commanded by Captain Benjamin Maxwell. Maxwell is destroying Cardassian ships and outposts, convinced that the Cardassians are preparing for another war.

Lets make some changes to this setup and explore a hypothetical: what if Captain Kirk is sent to intercept the Phoenix instead? How do you think Captain Kirk would have approached and handled Captain Maxwell's actions differently compared to Captain Picard?

There are actually several ways you could construct this hypothetical so here are my suggested substitutions:

  • Lets say that this is happening in the 23rd century, i.e. Captain Maxwell is the displaced captain.
  • Lets say we're talking about Paul Wesley's Kirk, for two reasons. One, we all currently have a big crush on Paul Wesley, and two, I think there's another interesting choice we can make here...
  • Lets say that Kirk is in command of the USS Farragut and La'an is his XO. Rather than the Galaxy-Nebula showdown where the Enterprise significantly outgunned the Phoenix, Lets say that the Phoenix is Hoover-class, and lets say that the Phoenix is better armed but not as fast as the Farragut.
  • Since we're in the 23rd century lets sub in the Klingons considering the context is the same: last war just ended, everyone is touchy about starting a new one by accident.

One last bit of food for thought: how does Kirk feel about the Klingons in the early or mid 2260s? If David is alive he's an infant, but is it possible that Kirk was already primed to hate the Klingons due to his experiences in the first Klingon war? Is Kirk more inclined to believe Maxwell because he distrusts the Klingons?

 

I want to live!

- EvilKirk's last words

Whatever else you want to say about EvilKirk, it's pretty clear that he didn't want to be merged back into the single Kirk. Despite this, there is no shortage of reasons why it was a good idea to merge the Kirks: the Enterprise needed its CO back, GoodKirk wanted to do it, and it seems possible that the strain of remaining split would have eventually killed EvilKirk anyways. However, the fact remains that EvilKirk did not consent to the procedure which ended his existence.

Clearly the circumstances here are quite different and there's basically no argument to be made that allowing EvilKirk to continue to exist would benefit any involved party, EvilKirk included. But for the purposes of this comparison, the only fact that really matters is that EvilKirk was just as passionate about his desire to continue existing as Tuvix was.

Yet—and it's obvious where I'm going with this—"Spock murdered EvilKirk" is not a meme.

So what gives? Did Spock murder EvilKirk or not? If yes, why does he get a pass while Janeway is condemned?

 

To answer that question, let's talk about Starfleet's expectations for a new class of heavy cruiser/explorer. The Constitution class was in service for at least 50 years. NCC-1701 was commissioned in 2245, but it wasn't the first Constitution class ship. So lets say that the first one was launched in 2243. They were in service until at least 2293, but probably even later than that. It also had three significant refits over the course of it's 50-year service life.

The Excelsior was commissioned in 2290 after the great experiment failed. By 2293 it was Starfleet's pride and joy, and the first Federation ship named Enterprise that wasn't a Constitution class was an Excelsior. The basic Excelsior frame is apparently extremely durable and versatile, since Starfleet began producing them en masse.

It was Starfleet's biggest, meanest ship for about 20-30 years, from the 2290s until the 2320s. This mirrors the Constitution's service life as well. When Starfleet designs a new front-line heavy cruiser/heavy explorer, they apparently expect it to serve for at least three decades in that capacity, and then at least another two as an auxiliary cruiser/explorer.

The Ambassador was clearly slated to replace the Excelsior as the pride of the fleet. But for whatever reason, the Ambassador didn't have as privileged a run as the Excelsior.

Why?

Politics.

In the early-mid 24th century, the Federation didn't have many enemies. It was a time of relative peace. The Romulans had withdrawn behind their own borders, the Klingons were still recovering from Praxis, the Ferengi were unknown and the Cardassians were upstarts. They didn't really need another big mean ship like they needed the Excelsior in the 2280's, at the height of the Federation-Klingon Cold War.

Furthermore, because the Federation is in such a strong position relative to the other galactic powers, Starfleet has returned to it's original mandate: exploration and humanitarian operations.

Think about it from the perspective of the admiralty. The year is 2340 and you're the admiral with ultimate authority over the construction orders at all of Starfleet's various shipyards. The situation is as follows:

  • The Rear and Vice admirals commanding fleets out of frontier Starbases tell you they need more ships to support the expanding Federation border.
  • The Romulans are quiet.
  • Peace negotiations with the Klingons are proceeding smoothly, especially since Capt. Garrett gave her life, ship and crew to defend a Klingon outpost.
  • First contact with a race called the Cardassians has occurred recently. They have some bad blood with the Klingons due to a dispute over a dilithium-rich planet in the Betreka nebula, and the Klingons are our allies now, and they might require our assistance. However, all intelligence on the Cardassians indicates that they are several decades behind Starfleet in terms of technology and they don't appear to be catching up to the Federation's tech level.

So, Admiral, Utopia Planitia wants to know: what are we building for the next few years?

  • Build more Ambassador class ships. The Ambassador class design is about 15 years old now, tried and true. Ambassador class ships are expensive, both in terms of time and material. However, they easily outclass the known Cardassian counterparts of the time. On the one hand, building more of them would be a potent show of force, but on the other hand, we need a larger fleet more than we need tougher ships.

Or,

  • Build more Excelsior class ships. The Excelsior space frame is aging at this point, over 50 years old. But the Excelsior class is one of the most successful ship classes the Federation has ever built. They are durable and easily refittable, and they have enough internal space to be fitted for a wide variety of missions. In fact, the Excelsior herself is still in service at this time, 50 years after her commissioning. Unlike the Ambassador class they are no more powerful than Cardassian counterparts, but we have perfected the manufacturing process at this point and we can build a lot of them cheaply and quickly, and we need lots of reliable, speedy ships to support our growing network of colonies.

The choice is pretty obvious. The Ambassador class, despite being a better ship by just about every measurable metric, gets sidelined. Meanwhile, Excelsior production accelerates because the Federation needs more ships. This is why, by 2365, there appear to be more Excelsiors in service than Ambassadors, despite the fact that the design is 80 years old.

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