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[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Gee, yet another reason why mine is a Corel shop and we don't use Adobe for anything.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Tell me you don't want money from NSFW artists without telling me.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I mean... they ARE telling you?

Expect a LOT more companies to do stuff like this. Because "deep fake" porn is a plague and nobody (reputable) wants their software to be the go to for violating people.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Photoshop != deepfake porn. Although it might get used to touch up some images for realism.

Which isn't where the money is in NSFW digital art.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes. Photoshop is not currently equal to deepfake porn. It is a few popular plugins away from being it though. Hence getting out ahead of things with content policies.

And... NSFW digital art is not as good money as you think it is. At least, not at the corporate/software level.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

What do you mean by "at the corporate/software level"? What corporations are drawing furry porn?

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I mean, have you seen Gadget?

But also... that is kind of the point. Adobe and basically every company that isn't a porn company doesn't care about the revenue from porn. And the companies that DO care about the revenue are constantly fighting piracy.

There are some patreon-like artists who make bank for getting their Source Film Maker on. But they are a handful of licenses, at best.

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[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Canceled my Adobe account in 2018 and they just keep on making my decision a better and better one. Thanks, Adobe!

[–] asbestos@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

There's GIMP and Krita as Photoshop alternatives

Dark Table as a Lightroom alternative

DaVinci Resolve as a video editor

Personally giving up Lightroom is the hardest IMO, the others were easy choices.

Edit: Will add links when I get to my next break at work, no time right now.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 0 points 5 months ago

I love Gimp but I would never suggest it as a Photoshop alternative for professional users.

[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I bought the Affinity Suite which has been great for me. Sadly they don't have a Linux version, which is what I'm moving to. Krita covers some other of Photoshop's features as well. And people who say Gimp is a Photoshop alternative are crazy. Gimp uses destructive editing which is clown level in image editing and makes it completely useless imo. But supposedly non-destructive editing is coming.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I really wish I didn't hate gimp but I very much do.

[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Same. I want to love it, I really, really do, but it makes me want to blow my brains out when I use it.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

I tried to curve text once, to match the curvature of a mug. Pro tip: don't even try.

[–] Trail@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It is destructive in what sense? I've been using gimp to do various edits non professionally for many years and I am feeling comfortable with many advanced things, but now I am curious about maybe trying Krita or something.

I thought using layers and so on in gimp was also considered non destructive... Maybe I am missing out on something.

I have also used photoshop in like 20 years ago, can't remember much.

[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Destructive in that many edits are lossy. Change the transform of an object, then go do a bunch of other edits, and then go back and edit that same transform again. What you'll be editing now is the edited image, not the original one (as in Photoshop), so there's massive data loss and it looks absolute crap. If you want to edit with the original image as origin you have to undo all edits back to before you edited the transform the first time.

Non-destructive editing should be coming in the future, and they might have implemented some non-destructive things since I last used it.

[–] Trail@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I tried to read up on it, i understand it in theory, but in practical terms I don't get what's the difference to just working with layers..

I guess I might have to play around a bit with it to get it? I dunno...

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[–] TechNerdWizard42@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

At this rate my owned outright copy of Adobe that requires no internet access, with hacks, will become a generational heirloom I can pass down to descendants with immersurable value.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Don't pirate anything you use professionally. You are just begging for a lawsuit and to be treated as radioactive in the industry.

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And if your company let the licenses expire a month ago, do you refuse to do your job?

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If the software doesn't run?

Yeah. You do. Because unless your company sends you a written email saying to go grab this off the pirate bay, then it is your ass on the line, not theirs.

And if they DO send that email? Document everything and run away as fast as you can.

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's very nice in theory, but in real life you can either do your job by any means or find another one. And if you can't find another one you just do what you have to do.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

With all due respect:

You are a fucking moron if you put yourself at legal or financial risk for your employer. And that is what you are doing when you are using pirated software or other license misuse in a professional environment. Because you know what happens when Mathworks says "What the fuck? Why are we getting pings from the student version of Matlab at Innertrode?"? Your boss says "Oh shit. It must be Johnson. He went against our express instructions and this is a fireable offense"

And then you are fired and your boss doesn't give a shit. Except you are also now the talk around the water cooler because you are a thief and you risked everyone else's jobs in the process. Which tends to bode poorly when your former co-workers are on or near hiring committees at future jobs.

And if it was egregious enough that Mathworks is pissed? Guess what? Your company that you are willing to ride or die for is going to throw you to the wolves and do everything they can to get those fines on you because YOU were violating corporate policy.

If you can't do your job without putting yourself at legal or financial risk then you won't have a job for long. So rather than increase your risk until you get fired, start quiet quitting and interviewing elsewhere before the rest of the company gets sacked.

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So I'm between guaranteed getting fired from not doing my work or maybe fired if someone finds out. Guess I'm the moron for choosing the former.

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[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

owned outright copy

It's not piracy if you bought the software and own a permanent license to it.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

It is once you start having to "hack" it, as that user claimed.

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

See, this is the issue; it’s not illegal to turn off my internet, it’s not illegal to block a program from accessing it, and it’s not illegal to run software i paid for.

If that’s a problem to clients then find better clients.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Okay? Just... maybe set aside a bit of money for a lawyer. No reason

[–] AstralPath@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago

Weird hill to die on, friend.

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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

No, it isn't. Hacking means doing something to it to fix a problem. Maybe that's telling it to ignore an OS version check or something. That's not illegal and it's not piracy. You're allowed to modify software you own. Even if the hack is removing DRM, it still isn't piracy if you own it. It's piracy to give it to other people who don't own it.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Sounds like a bit of an overreaction

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[–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Same choice as normal: whine about and then tolerate a change you don't want in proprietary software rather than spend time learning to use a software-freedom-respecting alternative.

"But my workflow".

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

A lot of us should be considering to graphite.js. Once it has raster support, which is in the pipeline, it says shaping up to be a pretty good UI compared to GIMP.

[–] Amir@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Link? I just find graphite dev which is not related to drawing

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Its graphite rs apparently, not js js https://graphite.rs/

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[–] 4am@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hey, a lot of people have deadlines and can’t just drop everything to spend a week learning if GIMP even meets their needs when Adobe is knocking their door down with this EULA change right the fuck now

And Adobe is counting on that. They knew this was bullshit and people would be made which is why the dropped it with (what seems like) zero warning

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No hard feelings towards people who couldn't, or didn't, see this sort of thing coming.

[–] MalachaiConstant@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I saw this coming and switched to GIMP and Inkscape. It's been a pain but I've managed. I'm just the IT guy though, and I would be laughed out of the room if I suggested our marketing team consider making the same switch.

It's not a matter of seeing it coming. They just don't care.

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[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This is 100% because they are rolling out more AI features and they want the government to ban all open source competition because they aren't "safe".

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[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

The question I'd like to ask them is WHY they want to get involved in Content Moderation. They make a toolset, nothing more, so why do they care what someone is using the tools for? What could they possibly get out of this that makes it worth the time or expense?

[–] Jordan117@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (6 children)

I imagine it's because of the generative AI stuff. If they're using their servers to generate, they're going to be responsible for what it puts out, even if it's just responding to user prompts.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

stirling-pdf it is then

[–] Drunemeton@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Holy Shitballs:

Sam Santala

Jun 5

Also, hilarious that I can't even get ahold of your support chat to question this unless I agree to these terms beforehand.

Jun 5

I can't even uninstall Photoshop unless I agree to these terms?? Are you fucking kidding me??

Jun 5

Realising I also need to agree to the terms if I want to sign in and cancel my subscription

16h

Can someone there give me an email for someone who can cancel my subscription without having to sign in and agree to these new terms first?

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[–] PenisWenisGenius@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Imagine getting banned from all of adobe just for drawing a dick with the brush tool in their expensive image editor.

[–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Ok, time to notify our design team not to use any Adobe products anymore and notify the commercial team to stop paying for licences.

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[–] manucode@infosec.pub 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Isn't Photoshop by a lot of big corporations. Why would they sign up to that? Or do they get an exemption that isn't available to private individuals?

[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Big corporations probably think that since they don't engage in things that would get moderated it doesn't matter to them.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 months ago

Sufficiently large orgs probably will be eligible for exemptions under the theory that they are agreeing ahead of time.

But also? The Adobe suite are just leagues better than anything else in that space. Smaller companies with smaller contracts can get away with, frankly, lesser software. But at scale? You need stuff like the "Oh shit, we should stop calling it AI" plugins. And workflows matter a lot when the vast majority of your applicant pool have been using Adobe software for literally decades.

A decent number of the tech youtubers have done "We tried to not use Premier for one week" style videos. And they usually end up coming out with "I guess we could maybe make it work but it just isn't worth it"

Much like with "this is the year of gaming for linux", it is going to need massive amounts of grass roots effort to actually focus on UI/UX over "We don't need that because we are smarter" bullshit. And, eventually, it will be good enough for influencers/taste-makers to give it a chance.

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