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[–] owatnext@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (5 children)

innovate its product features

What. It's meant to stream music. Tf do you mean?

[–] uberdroog@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

AI generated music based off your likes and listening. It lines up with his statements. There was no innovation here. The same as every "disruptor" technology that just cheapified everything and one it was ubiquitous attempt to remove the core of the business.

[–] NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The bad Ai dj. The car thing they rolled back. The new logo that's the same as the old one, but now border. The cache that causes you to hear the same ten songs multiple times in a week.

[–] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (6 children)

the playlist saved for offline playback that will still try to connect to the internet for like 30 seconds when you open it while actually offline. the Discover Weekly playlist that will serve you the song that you've marked as "not interested" over and over and over and

[–] serpineslair@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The UI that gets progressively worse with each update, ruining what was perfectly fine before. The attempts to create the audio focused equivalent of TikTok.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The way shuffle constantly shuts itself off even when set within the settings to be the default. The shitty Smart Shuffle that adds in songs that break up my playlists terribly. The way it plays the same song again the first time you enable shuffle and hit next.

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[–] b3an@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (7 children)

The cache part pisses me off. I'm fucking paying you to stream me music. Not the same fucking shit over and over and over again.

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[–] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

They did add audiobooks.

Though the interface for audiobooks sucks, so I hope they improve it.

[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Their podcast and audiobook integration has been so sloppy.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (4 children)

The last thing I ever wanted from Spotify was audiobooks or podcasts. We've had excellent apps available for several years already, we don't need half assed bloat added to (very poorly) replicate the same features

[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago (4 children)

The part is what drives me mad. Podcasts and audiobooks are not that hard to do properly. You could very easily separate them into distinct apps or at least a special tab that acts like a proper player. Instead audiobooks are basically albums.

There's a shuffle button.

On an audiobook.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago

Yup this is what irks me most. I don't think of audio books and music in the same context. Why the fuck are they mashing them together? Wrapped includes podcasts.....

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[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

If anything, they've taken features away from people lately. The quality is still shit. Lossless is still nowhere to be seen. Free users are losing options too. Yet they're making record profits, and jacking up the price

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago

This is why they have record profits. They attack at both ends. Strip features, increase prices.

[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Spotify actually doesn't make that much profit, if any.

But the record labels are major shareholders and definitely influence the pricing structure. Spotify is essentially a marketing frontend for the record industry.

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[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Round #451 of telling people to stop using Spotify and consider one of the many, better alternatives.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago

I mean they do have one good thing going for them: you can separate the art from the more controversial artists, because you know for sure the artist isn't getting a damn thing from spotify

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[–] Aku@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (4 children)

So is there an alternative that’s comparable? I am done with their price increases.

I assume Apple Music?

[–] PineRune@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

I got grandfathered into YouTube Music since I was using Google Music when it got shut down. While not as good as Google Music, YT Music works well for me and has been building playlists suited to what I want to listen to. Plus, some lesser known local artists that only have their music on YouTube as video uploads will still show up on YouTube Music. I haven't really tried any other serious streaming platforms, and only YT Music and Spotify natively sync to my car with maps.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

https://www.businessinsider.com/guides/tech/best-music-streaming-service-subscription

Not really. They all cost about the same amount. In that article is right around $11 across the board.

[–] VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I got Tidal since I read they pay artists a bigger share per track played.

I like it's hight quality audio but don't like it's suggestions much. I did discover a few good songs but mostly I build my own playlist. To discover music I prefer to start playlist based on a song I like rather than their suggestions but it's not perfect.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 0 points 5 months ago

I got Tidal since I read they pay artists a bigger share per track played.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDfNRWsMRsU

Not a significant amount and they, along with all streaming services, have massively cut artist payouts in recent years. There aren't really any good platforms for artists. Only labels get any amount of meaningful money.

[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago

I am an audiophile with thousands worth of gear. As far as streaming services go, I find Apple to offer the best bang for the buck. The second best would be probably YouTube. Tidal was unique years ago with hires lossless but that’s not uncommon anymore. Apple offers it as standard. Apple and YouTube also offer music videos which is a nice perk.

[–] frickineh@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Depends on if you care about making set playlists. That's the feature that generally costs more - Pandora is like $5 a month without that option, and $11 with it. I only listen in the car and don't care about picking exactly what songs are on my stations, so I have the cheaper one, but for other people, that wouldn't cut it.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I have never understood playlists as a 'feature' of these 'services'. If someone wants that, why the hell don't people just download the music and make local playlists? But the entire idea behind playlists has always baffled me - 'yes I want to listen to the same songs in the same order every time I select this' bro you've just made a mixtape from the 80s. And paid for the privilege. Good job.

For me the one and only appeal of any of these 'services' is to take what I currently like, blend like 3% of 'similar songs/artists' that I likely don't know about, and get the hell out of the way otherwise. I've never had a decent experience with 'let's throw random shit at you and pray you like some of it' 'discovery' systems. I don't care what is popular with the masses, I don't care what your 'djs' have 'curated', I don't want to listen to your reinvention of radio, I don't want to listen to someone talk between tracks, I don't want to even be aware of talk show 'radio' oh my christ. Just give me fucking music, that I like, with a hint of weird. I give you my imported data from X prior service, I give you my entire last.fm data, I cannot make it any easier for you to do this. Just, do, it.

deep breathing

Sorry, I went to a place there. After like 20 years you'd think someone would get the formula right.

[–] jumjummy@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Counterpoint, I love the Spotify Discover Weekly feature. I’ve found some great gems. As for random playlists, I like to find lists that other people have made based on different genres I may be in the mode to listen to. Finding and downloading songs, to me, is way more inconvenient than using Spotify.

[–] Bad_Engineering@fedia.io 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I would suggest anyone bothered by this to look into xManager.

[–] invertedspear@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Kind of love and hate that their website doesn’t explicitly say what it does. Like, if you can’t figure it out, you probably shouldn’t do it, even their GitHub is a bit dodgy on what the software is for, you can figure it out, but it’s never explicitly stated what it’s specifically meant for. “We help you install old versions of the app who must not be named” kinda bullshit.

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[–] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Anyone have an alternative with the same content, offline play, and integration into Android Auto? I would love to switch if something meets my needs.

[–] Nadaph@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 months ago

I'm downloading Tidal to give it a shot but I would also like to hear other options. Tidal seems promising from a 30 second glance but that doesn't tell me much.

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[–] ForgottenFlux@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Summary:

  • Spotify has announced another price hike for its subscription plans in the United States.
  • This price increase comes shortly after Spotify CEO Daniel Ek sparked outrage among music fans and creators by claiming that the "cost of creating content is close to zero."
  • Many musicians and music fans condemned Ek's comments, arguing that music is not just "content" and that it is costly and time-consuming to create.
  • Despite the backlash, Spotify is increasing its standard Premium plan by $1 to $11.99, the Duo plan by $2 to $16.99, and the Family plan by $3 to $19.99 per month.
  • Spotify claims the price hikes are necessary to invest in and innovate its product features, but this reasoning is questioned given Ek's "content" cost comments.
  • Spotify is less vulnerable to customer churn compared to TV/movie streaming services, as users are less likely to switch music streaming providers due to the hassle of rebuilding playlists and losing personalized recommendations.
[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

IIRC this means the family plan costs more than 3 individual plans did like 3 years ago. If not more than it saves you like $.50 in comparison. I would try and look it up but Google search has also turned to shit so I don’t feel like dealing with it.

The Internet just isn’t fun anymore.

[–] ogeist@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Indie internet is better, hi Lemmy

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[–] can@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago (4 children)

So now that Tidal has moved its Hi-Fi tier price down to match Apple's wtf is Spotify doing? Charging more than the competition, paying artists less, and not even offering lossless?

[–] dmtalon@infosec.pub 0 points 5 months ago

And as long as people keep subscribing to them, they'll March right along collecting that sweet money.

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Spotify is less vulnerable to customer churn compared to TV/movie streaming services, as users are less likely to switch music streaming providers due to the hassle of rebuilding playlists and losing personalized recommendations.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago (8 children)

There are services for transferring playlists

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

yes but often there are some mixups... which is a PITA for those of us with ~10K+ songs

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[–] ForgottenFlux@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Related:

The platform does not pay according to a per-stream rate, but rather puts all the revenue from subscribers and ads into a giant pot, and divides that share according to their respective "streamshare." Under this model, artists are estimated to receive between $0.003 to $0.005 per play.

That's about to change. Beginning early next year, Spotify will only pay royalties to artists whose tracks have been streamed 1,000 times in the past 12 months, effectively locking out the smallest artists from the "streamshare" pot. The money that would have been paid out to these small artists — which Spotify said amounts to $40 million a year — will instead go to "those most dependent on streaming revenue."

According to Spotify, artists generally don't pocket the earnings from tracks that have under 1,000 streams anyway, because they don't meet the labels and distributors' minimum withdrawal amount. The company also says it does not make any additional money under the new model. But musicians have said they feel the model is “putting a number on art," and industry experts said that this change essentially makes Spotify the arbiter of which artist is deserving of payment.

There has to be a way for multibillion-dollar companies to both keep music accessible and appropriately compensate musicians — especially fledgling, independent ones.

Spotify will stop paying anything at all for roughly two-thirds of tracks on the platform. That is any track receiving fewer than 1,000 streams over the period of a year. Tracks falling under this arbitrary minimum will continue to accrue royalties – but those royalties will now be redirected upwards, often to bigger artists, rather than to their own rights holders.

This sounds incredible, but there’s nothing to stop it. And their primary business partners – the three major labels – are cheering the change on because it will mean more money in their pockets.

[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Honestly €56 million in profit seems small for an operation as massive as Spotify that has so throughly saturated the market. That does not make it excusable at all. I’m just surprised to see that number.

[–] VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago

Profit is AFTER they pay their CEO and other suit's

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure there's tons they've made that their accountants have managed to classify as something other than "profit," so they don't have to pay taxes on it

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[–] exanime@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Who cares what the "company" does when, as CEO, you rake almost $400 MILLION a year

https://mywage.ca/salary/celebrity-salary/daniel-ek

PS: and this is while receiving "no salary" (which they sell as if they were running a charity and meager $1.4 million in "other" compensation

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[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (5 children)
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[–] mypasswordis1234@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Spotify Premium in practice has new benefits!

More specifically: Lyrics that they took away from regular users some time ago.

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[–] DirkMcCallahan@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Another day, another moment of being thankful for my dedicated .mp3 player.

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[–] moon@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago (7 children)

The average person: Spotify sucks and is making me hate them even more

Shareholders seeing layoffs followed by AI replacements for those workers and then repeated price hikes: 🤑

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[–] camr_on@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Smh I want to get off Spotify for tidal but I don't feel up to teaching my parents how to use a completely different music app

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

After watching how similar business practices torched Twitter, I think this dude is underestimating the general public's commitment to just sail the high seas.

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