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[–] ForgottenFlux@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Related:

The platform does not pay according to a per-stream rate, but rather puts all the revenue from subscribers and ads into a giant pot, and divides that share according to their respective "streamshare." Under this model, artists are estimated to receive between $0.003 to $0.005 per play.

That's about to change. Beginning early next year, Spotify will only pay royalties to artists whose tracks have been streamed 1,000 times in the past 12 months, effectively locking out the smallest artists from the "streamshare" pot. The money that would have been paid out to these small artists — which Spotify said amounts to $40 million a year — will instead go to "those most dependent on streaming revenue."

According to Spotify, artists generally don't pocket the earnings from tracks that have under 1,000 streams anyway, because they don't meet the labels and distributors' minimum withdrawal amount. The company also says it does not make any additional money under the new model. But musicians have said they feel the model is “putting a number on art," and industry experts said that this change essentially makes Spotify the arbiter of which artist is deserving of payment.

There has to be a way for multibillion-dollar companies to both keep music accessible and appropriately compensate musicians — especially fledgling, independent ones.

Spotify will stop paying anything at all for roughly two-thirds of tracks on the platform. That is any track receiving fewer than 1,000 streams over the period of a year. Tracks falling under this arbitrary minimum will continue to accrue royalties – but those royalties will now be redirected upwards, often to bigger artists, rather than to their own rights holders.

This sounds incredible, but there’s nothing to stop it. And their primary business partners – the three major labels – are cheering the change on because it will mean more money in their pockets.

[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Honestly €56 million in profit seems small for an operation as massive as Spotify that has so throughly saturated the market. That does not make it excusable at all. I’m just surprised to see that number.

[–] exanime@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Who cares what the "company" does when, as CEO, you rake almost $400 MILLION a year

https://mywage.ca/salary/celebrity-salary/daniel-ek

PS: and this is while receiving "no salary" (which they sell as if they were running a charity and meager $1.4 million in "other" compensation

[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I mean I understand there are a lot of caveats to that statement. Like I said, just kind of a surprising number. A company as massive as Spotify can have its revenue shift 10 of millions easily within a year, which means with a little nudge they could easily become unprofitable.

It would be like, I don’t know, realizing after you’ve paid all of your bills and groceries everything you have $300 at the end of the month. Not a lot of wiggle room. This isn’t sympathy and the stakes aren’t the same lol, I’m just saying their margins are not as high as I would have suspected.

A cursory search shows me competing figures - 7000+ and 15000+ employees. Both are very, very large numbers. Id have guessed they make hundreds of millions a year, not mid-8 figures. That’s probably what their payroll runs for 3-6mo.

[–] exanime@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It would be like, I don’t know, realizing after you’ve paid all of your bills and groceries everything you have $300 at the end of the month. Not a lot of wiggle room

Well that depends... if I have only $300 at the end of the month but I have already paid every bill and allocated $1,000,000 for entertainment, another $1,000,000 for personal expenses, another $1,000,000 for pet services, etc etc etc... the $300 left mean nothing... why do I need "wiggle room" when I can not just wiggle but literally run in every direction until I get tired and still not hit any limits?

The relatively small profit margin is a PR strategy... one that is working well on you giving you the false impression the company is "tight" when in reality, they are milking every bit of it before you get to that figure.

[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It’s not good PR because it makes me think they’re poorly structured and poorly allocating their money lol

[–] exanime@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

if it makes you not buy into their subscription, then it's poor PR... if it makes you think they are not greedy fucks, then it's good PR

[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

None of this impacts whether or not I pay them. It makes me think they are wasteful and greedy. Those are not mutually exclusive

[–] exanime@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

if it makes you change your opinion of them but not enough to either pay them or stop paying them, then it means nothing to them

[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago

The only reasons I should pay or not pay for something are 1) quality of service for the cost and 2) ethical considerations.

Poor management does not factor in unless i am dependent on it for work. This is purely entertainment. Their being dumbasses is not a factor.

You’re kind of moving the goalposts here as well. This is a silly debate at this point. All I said was I was surprised at the stated profit.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

If it’s profit it’s net by definition. Gross can’t be profit. You’re thinking of revenue. Gross is total revenue before any costs deducted.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You may need to realign your usage of phrases. Their 2024 Q1 financial statement has a line for "gross profit" and "net income/(loss) attributable to the owners of the parent."

[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I’m going off the number from the article that your dude linked. The guy said “€58 million in profit.” Totally possible he’s wrong though.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago

I'm just saying there is a difference between "gross profit" and "net profit" because their official financial statement differentiates between it.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago

I dunno, my QuickBooks shows me gross and net profit. Gross profit is your income after you remove cost of goods sols (COGS). Net profit is what the org nets after everything else like payroll and other expenses.

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure there's tons they've made that their accountants have managed to classify as something other than "profit," so they don't have to pay taxes on it

[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago

First reasonable response I’ve gotten lol

[–] VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago

Profit is AFTER they pay their CEO and other suit's

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago

That's insane... 1000 plays per track?