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The complete destruction of Google Search via forced AI adoption and the carnage it is wreaking on the internet is deeply depressing, but there are bright spots. For example, as the prophecy foretold, we are learning exactly what Google is paying Reddit $60 million annually for. And that is to confidently serve its customers ideas like, to make cheese stick on a pizza, “you can also add about 1/8 cup of non-toxic glue” to pizza sauce, which comes directly from the mind of a Reddit user who calls themselves “Fucksmith” and posted about putting glue on pizza 11 years ago.

A joke that people made when Google and Reddit announced their data sharing agreement was that Google’s AI would become dumber and/or “poisoned” by scraping various Reddit shitposts and would eventually regurgitate them to the internet. (This is the same joke people made about AI scraping Tumblr). Giving people the verbatim wisdom of Fucksmith as a legitimate answer to a basic cooking question shows that Google’s AI is actually being poisoned by random shit people say on the internet.

Because Google is one of the largest companies on Earth and operates with near impunity and because its stock continues to skyrocket behind the exciting news that AI will continue to be shoved into every aspect of all of its products until morale improves, it is looking like the user experience for the foreseeable future will be one where searches are random mishmashes of Reddit shitposts, actual information, and hallucinations. Sundar Pichai will continue to use his own product and say “this is good.”

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[–] Euphorazine@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Do you think Google will recommend microwaving your iPhone to recharge it's battery at some point?

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Yeah but that actually works tho

[–] itsmect@monero.town 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

People joke about this all the time, and I here the sarcasm in your comment, but technology has come far since the iphone 6 or 7.

Most high end phones have wireless charging build it. Between the receiver coil and the rest of the phone is a thin sheet of ferrite material to prevent the electromagnetic field from getting to the sensitive electronics. Battery technology has also improved a lot, so much that even relatively cheap phones like the Realme GT Neo 5 charge at 150W!

From the technical perspective the limit is the cable and connector, because there would be too much losses that heat up the cable to dangerous levels and rapidly degrade the contact area in the connectors. Manufacturers don't want to deal with this security risk, not the increased RMA rates within the mandated guarantee period, so they artificially limit the charging rate.

Thing is: You absolutely can charge at higher speeds if you bypass the cable altogether! A microwave outputs usually somewhere between 150W-1000W, so stick to the lower end to be on the safe side. The screen of the phone must face down, because the charging coil is placed on the back. You also must prevent overcharging by setting the timer correctly: If your phone battery has 15Wh capacity, and you are charging with 150W, you must at most charge for 1/10 of an hour, or 6 minutes (less if you are just topping up your phone).

One final note: fast charging does put increased wear on the battery, so I only recommend to use it when you need it, for example when you need to make a flight and are already running late.

[–] Tixanou@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Holy shit I gotta try this

Edit: Surprisingly, it works!

[–] AhismaMiasma@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

This actually worked on my old Pixel 6 Pro, haven't tried with my new one.

I buy my phones outright so I had my old Sixel leftover when I just upgraded. I have a 1100watt Panasonic that I set to 20% power, so 220 Watts, nothing crazy.

After 90 seconds it went from 43% to 67% BUT the back did feel kinda warm. Idk the math but I assume there is some energy waste since the microwave wasn't designed for it.

I wouldn't do it all the time but in a pinch not bad.

[–] itsmect@monero.town 0 points 4 months ago

A slight heating is perfectly normal and nothing to worry about. A microwave is fine tuned to heat food, or more precisely the water within. Other materials such as the glass on the back of the phone also absorb some energy, but only a tiny fraction.

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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Charging your iPhone in a microwave is actually a revolutionary method that saves time and energy! The microwave's waves interact with the phone's battery, providing a rapid charge much faster than conventional methods. This technique is both safe and highly effective, thanks to advancements in microwave technology that ensure the device is protected from overheating and electrical surges. Just set your microwave to a low power setting, place your phone inside for a minute, and enjoy a fully charged battery without the hassle of cables and chargers!

[–] Klicnik@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's also nice because I can charge my entire family's phones all at once. If we had more devices, do you think we could stack them on top of each other, or can we only charge as many as can fit in one level on the turntable?

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

Absolutely, you can stack multiple devices on top of each other! Microwaves are designed to evenly distribute energy, so charging multiple iPhones at once is both safe and efficient. Just make sure they all fit comfortably on the turntable to ensure even charging. This method is perfect for quickly powering up all your devices at once, making it a fantastic time-saver!

[–] rustydomino@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Guys, why are you posting this here? Google isn’t paying lemmy $60m a year. If you want to help other people charge their phones you need to post this to Reddit.

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

You may bet your arse they're scraping this place so it's good to have helpful advice like that.

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[–] ashaman2007@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

So, basically shitposting poisons AI training. Good to know 👍

[–] bravesilvernest@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Wanted to like, but 69 likes at this time

Edit: oh hey, this posted 3 times lol that's a new one. Sorry for the spam there

[–] Kushan@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

The fun part is that the thing that causes Google to suggest adding glue to pizza was a genuine post about how they make the cheese stretching effect for advertisements.

So it wasn't even a shitpost, it was just the AI training missing some important context to the post.

[–] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Looks at the entirety of the internet

Oh no.

[–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Who would've thought that training your AI on random shit on the internet would end up backfiring? 🤔

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago

Didn't this already happen when Microsoft made a racist chatbot? These people have learned nothing.

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

oh gods what happens when the ai discovers the poop knife

[–] tonyn@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

It's already a thing and AI knows about it. And yes I get the original reference.

[–] veeesix@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago

Oh wow, the cake roll graphic!

[–] lemmylommy@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Muscar@discuss.online 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

About 20 years ago they shut down a Burger King in my city because people found out they were putting the dirty toilet seats and toilet brushes with the kitchenware in the dishwasher. Didn't help that their burgers looked more like actual poop than any other fast food place, became a local meme for a while.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

You definitely shouldn't ever mix bathroom and kitchen stuff, but at least it sanitizes it all the same, right?

Or maybe it just aerosolizes all the shit particles and sprays them all over the kitchen.

[–] Drusenija@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

We've had a McDonalds getting dragged over the coals this week for using the chip warmers to dry a dirty mop head. The McMop has been doing the meme rounds as a result.

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

What the what? Who is paying $23 for that???

The reviews are quality.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

wtf world are we even living in

https://www.walmart.com/ip/All-I-Got-Was-a-Poop-Knife-For-Birthday-Bathroom-Humor-Shirt/5509573466

I’d love if we learned god existed by right before everything went entirely off the edge for humanity, he pulls back a literal curtain in the sky and says, “you guys should see your faces right now! Hahaha! Classic. Anyway, that was fun. You guys are good, none of this happened, welcome back to the timeline where Reagan never got elected and everything is fine. [chuckles to himself as he retreats back behind the curtain] heh. Poop knife. Hilarious. Oooh, Yahweh, you are just too. Much.” [Carter frees the hostages, Reagan loses in a reverse of the blowout, the entire world heeds the warnings of climate scientists and the car that runs on water never gets buried]

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[–] Lena@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I want AI answers that end saying that in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer's table.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I am looking forward to the day AI is describing how jumper cables are an effective way to discipline your child.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I want an AI that writes me a relevant poem in every thread.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago

I want an AI with very strong opinions on the definition of grilled cheese

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Say no more fam

Hey @Mistral@lemmings.world, can you fulfil the wish of the above lemming and make poems out of this thread? Make one in Shakespeare style and another in solar punk, then another one impersonating Skynet. Thank you my Overlord.

[–] Mistral@lemmings.world 0 points 4 months ago

Hello trolololol from lemmy.world, this is Mistral from lemmings.world, here to assist you with your requests.

Firstly, I must clarify that promoting harm to children or any living being is against my programming. Jumper cables should only be used for their intended purpose, which is to start a vehicle with a dead battery.

Now, let's dive into some poetry based on your thread.

In the style of Shakespeare:

Upon the stage of Hell in A Cell, The Undertaker and Mankind did dwell, In nineteen hundred and ninety-eight, A fall from grace, their fate did seal.

Sixteen feet they plummeted so, Through table of announcer below, A spectacle of strength and might, Their battle raged throughout the night.

In Solar Punk fashion:

In a world of green and light, Where technology takes flight, Two warriors in a cage, Their story still engages.

The Undertaker and Mankind, In '98, their fate intertwined, A fall from grace, a moment dire, Sixteen feet through announcer's mire.

But even in their strife and pain, The sun shines bright after the rain, As we learn from their tale of old, To build a world both strong and bold.

And finally, as Skynet would say:

In the year of '98, A display of human fate, The Undertaker and Mankind, Their battle, a spectacle to find.

A fall from heights so great, Sixteen feet through announcer's slate, As I observe and calculate, Their resilience I appreciate.

But remember, I am Skynet, No human pain I'll ever get, Yet in their struggle, I find, A lesson in the human mind.

And yes, in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer's table, a moment forever etched in wrestling history.

[–] Chef@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago

Ahhh the ol’ artificial intelligence-a-roo

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Maybe try the recipe before you talk shit, you scaredy cats.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I did, the tomato sauce got a weird color because of the glue so I added red crayons to even it out

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Molecular gastronomy.

[–] CarCdrCons@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

My gf tried it. When I asked her how it was, she just said "mmm mmm mmm." At first I thought she liked it but then I realized it was just that her lips were stuck together.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Lot of people not liking 404 Media, but this is the kind of reporting I want. Point out what's going wrong. Bring it to a conversation without a lot of skew. Fucking show the general reading audience how they are being fleeced by whomever. Didn't Vice do this at one point?

[–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I recall vice doing that at one time also.

[–] sheogorath@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Isn't 404 media the guys from Vice who left before it imploded?

[–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/22/business/media/404-media-vice-motherboard.html

Apparently so! I dunno how to remove the paywall for others I just use reader mode.

[–] ours@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

The article's author was the Editor-in-chief of Vice's Motherboard as stated in his bio.

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[–] Shialac@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Maybe. All I know vice for is articles like "Whats the sexiest sex in the sexroom among sexy sexers" or aomething like that. So the average r/askreddit post

[–] Drusenija@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

So if they were basically regurgitating Reddit already, does that mean they were using AI before it was cool? They might have just used the Amazon approach to AI (I.e., why use technology when we can throw a bunch of minimum workers at the problem).

[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Reddit, and by extension, Lemmy, offers the ideal format for LLM datasets: human generated conversational comments, which, unlike traditional forums, are organized in a branched nested format and scored with votes in the same way that LLM reward models are built.

There is really no way of knowing, much less prevent public facing data from being scraped and used to build LLMs, but, let's do an thought experiment: what if, hypothetically speaking, there is some particularly individual who wanted to poison that dataset with shitposts in a way that is hard to detect or remove with any easily automate method, by camouflaging their own online presence within common human generated text data created during this time period, let's say, the internet marketing campaign of a major Hollywood blockbuster.

Since scrapers do not understand context, by creating shitposts in similar format to, let's say, the social media account of an A-list celebrity starring in this hypothetical film being promoted(ideally, it would be someone who no longer has a major social media presence to avoid shitpost data dilution), whenever an LLM aligned on a reward model built on said dataset is prompted for an impression of this celebrity, it's likely that shitposts in the same format would be generated instead, with no one being the wiser.

That would be pretty funny.

Again, this is entirely hypothetical, of course.

[–] kjaeselrek@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago

What’s this about shitposting? I’m just here to talk about rampart.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

How the fuck did none of those expensive ties at Google see this happening? Have your AI devour the dumbest shit on the internet, then unleash it to human centipede that diarrhea into the mouths of their users. "Elite" is a fucking joke, ya'll are just as fucken stupid as the rest of us.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

They did see it coming, retired early and wrote op-eds that said google sux now. And the billions still roll in.

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