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[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's a bit too early and premature. There needs to be an alternative to fax first.

[–] AstralPath@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Email.

Fax is not secure, never has been and most businesses are using e-fax which is email with extra steps.

This particular dinosaur actually deserves to be Chicxulub'ed.

Please for the love of god abandon fax. I'm tired of troubleshooting it.

[–] tuckerm@supermeter.social 3 points 5 months ago

I think the the previous post was sarcasm. :)

[–] darkphotonstudio@beehaw.org 2 points 5 months ago

Chicxulub’ed

New word of the day.

[–] cityboundforest@beehaw.org 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Tbh I was surprised they're still using them

[–] tiredofsametab@kbin.run 3 points 5 months ago

laughs in Japanese bureaucracy

[–] genuineparts@infosec.pub 2 points 5 months ago

Fuck me it's now actually the end times.

[–] Butterbee@beehaw.org 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"fax machines are at odds with a world embracing artificial intelligence." So bring on the fax machines! MORE fax machines!

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I don't see how that makes sense as a statement, an ai with access to a 56k modem can send a fax. It feels like they're just using ai as a buzzword.

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 1 points 5 months ago

It reads to me more just as a statement of contrast, as in 'we're in a world of incredibly high-tech new technology, we shouldn't still be using something from the Victorian era!'

[–] denial@feddit.de 1 points 5 months ago

Of cause that is a BS reason. But they should have stopped using fax machines 20 years ago. How can any reason they give why they have to stop now be any other than BS.

[–] sweng@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The issue is not sending, it is receiving. With a fax you need to do some OCR to extract the text, which you then can feed into e.g an AI.

[–] GenosseFlosse@lemmy.nz 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

ChatGPT can recognize text on images already.

[–] sweng@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

At horrendous expense, yes. Using it for OCR makes little sense. And compared to just sending the text directly, even OCR is expensive.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

My phone can recognize text on images. How hard could it be to send that data to an AI?

[–] sweng@programming.dev 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

How many billion times do you generally do that, and how is battery life after?

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn’t do it on my phone. 🙄

What I’m saying is that it would probably be fairly easy to incorporate an already existing technology in to an AI.

[–] sweng@programming.dev 1 points 5 months ago

Yes, and what I'm saying is that it would be expensive compared to not having to do it.

[–] DdCno1@beehaw.org 1 points 5 months ago

I was about to say, you could do serviceable OCR on a 486, which illustrates just how little processing power is needed for conventional approaches compared to this hallucinating AI nonsense.

[–] EunieIsTheBus@feddit.de 2 points 5 months ago

Note that the proposal was sent by fax

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 1 points 5 months ago

I agree with the move; it reduces the unnecessary waste of time, space, and material. While some things should have physical copies, not everything needs to.

Regarding the "AI" part: the author is simply highlighting that BRD is sticking to really old technology, in a world going further steps beyond. Don't think too hard on that.

[–] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

My dr. office has a fax number and I’m like who is sending you a fax exactly?

[–] eveninghere@beehaw.org 1 points 5 months ago

Japanese Prime Minister

[–] Kissaki@beehaw.org 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

How common is the terminology "red tape"? I had to look it up. Is it more than "bureaucracy" would fill?

[–] Bougie_Birdie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 months ago

"Red tape" is a pretty common idiom here. It's similar to bureaucracy, but it's more like the useless stuff you have to deal with in order to do something.

Say you want to update your driver's license and you need to bring in some ID and fill out a form. That's regular bureaucracy.

If you want to feed the homeless so you have to get a permit for an event, prove your volunteers have food-handling training, fill out forms for your volunteers, notify the police that there will be a public gathering, schedule an inspection of the facility, etc, that's red tape.

Another way to look at it might be that Bureaucracy describes the system in which offices communicate with each other, and Red Tape are the tasks/forms/whatever you have to complete in order to get what you want approved.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

It refers to bureaucracy but specifically in a negative way, as in unnecessary and obstructive bureaucracy that just serves as busy work between people and getting what they want or need from the government in terms of services or approvals.