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just so this doesn't overwhelm our front page too much, i think now's a good time to start consolidating discussions. existing threads will be kept up, but unless a big update comes let's try to keep what's happening in this thread instead of across 10.

developments to this point:

The Verge is on it as usual, also--here's their latest coverage (h/t @dirtmayor@beehaw.org):

other media coverage:

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[–] tango_octogono@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In my opinion, we're reaching a moment where people are realizing that having lots of users doesn't matter that much if you can't monetize them. We took a lot of services for granted that maybe don't make any financial sense, which probably only survived because both the company and investors hoped that as long you could attract users, you could monetize them later.

I think that "later" is now.

Today I noticed that youtube has a new feature that unlocks more bitrate, but only for premium users (there's two 1080p options, one normal and another with more bitrate). I'm expecting that these social medias and other tech companies will try to monetize us further

[–] rimlogger@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah exactly. I think what we need is decentralization and a move back to smaller hobbyist message boards - the costs of running such communities is more sustainable for individual owners and they are not so big that their owners would look to sell them out.

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's certainly my hope for the federated model. Scope and scale have been issues since the advent of social media, which encouraged users to centralize all of their interactions in one spot. One hundred people shooting the shit on a specific interest will always be a better experience than orders of magnitude more people who know nothing of the context spouting off to feel good about themselves.

I found the quality of my Reddit interactions had gone so far downhill that I took a month off to start the year. I'd gotten sucked into the belief that upvotes == quality of what I was writing, which creates perverse motivations completely unrelated to being more informed about the world.

[–] rimlogger@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I mean upvotes are related to how old a post is.

Anyways I don't expect places like Lemmy to fix the ills of social media - eventually running something like this will cost their owners too much money and something will have to give. Also moderation has always been an issue, even with the message boards of old.

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Agreed on the last point. That's part of what I was alluding to in terms of scope and scale. The smaller communities from early internet days (my experience overlaps with the time of BBSs but never included them) were pretty light on moderation. If you were a dick on IRC, you got booted. If you spouted off about politics in places that weren't about politics on phpBB, you were ignored then booted. These days, that sort of dynamic has moved to Discord, with people expecting that they should be able to say whatever they want, wherever they want everywhere else.

But I feel you're begging the question on funding. The ownership and profit model is the problem. User subscriptions can solve that funding issue in a vacuum; reality tends to be a bit messier, but I'm hoping we'll find that it works.

[–] rimlogger@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well on the Lemmy subreddit, some people are already complaining about moderation issues here, and how you can't block federated servers you don't want to see individually - that is up to the federated server itself. Honestly, while Lemmy seems cool, I can see issues arising as it scales, especially with regards to moderation.

Beehaw seems to be fine, but some users have explained that they take issue with Lemmy.ml's moderation - chiefly from the main developer who created this platform to begin with. And that's troubling too. For example, on Lemmy.ml, any talk about Russia or China (or anything similar) is banned. You can't safely talk about the war in Ukraine here without getting banned from the main federated server.

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[–] nhgeek@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm out. Redact is busy just now deleting everything under my account.

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] xray@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

An app that allows you to remove all your posts from Reddit and other social media accounts.

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

By chance, do you have a link to it? I've been doing this manually, and it's taking ages.

[–] BobQuasit@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My concern is that communities on Lemmy are fractured by instance. You CAN read or subscribe to communities on any instance, but communities with the same topics (or even the same names!) on different instances are in no way connected. For example, there can be a community called "Books" on every instance, but if you subscribe to one you will NOT see posts in any of the other Books communities on other instances. You'd have to go out, specifically find each one of them, and subscribe to them separately.

Not to mention communities with different names, but that cover the same essential topic. For example, I'm subscribed to the "Literature" community here. It's nice. But it's entirely disconnected from any of the "Books" communities on other instances. I'm not sure how that sort of fracturing could be addressed. I understand that there's a plan to eventually allow "MultiReddit" style aggregating, allowing users to group a number of communities into a single reading group, but that would only apply to what that individual user would read. No one else would have the benefit of seeing all the posts from those communities in a single group unless they individually recreated that collection.

What might work would be to bake in a set of standard all-instance communities which would automatically merge the content from all instances for those topics for all users. But I'm not sure that would work, since not all instances have to federate with all other instances.

[–] setsneedtofeed@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t think of that as a negative. It’s a different structure than Reddit.

Each instance would be a community in the cultural sense. All of the Lemmy communities within that instance would be a place for primarily the same instance users to gather. Each instance having its own cultural identity. Decentralized.

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[–] noob_dragon@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wow, RedReader somehow managed to get spared due to its accessibility features. Was not on my bingo card at all. I guess somehow I can still manage to use Reddit completely ad free, but who knows for how long. Even better, the RedReader dev might have plans to integrate Lemmy into it.

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[–] myk@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The active mod team of r/videos (nearly 27M subscribers) has agreed that their shutdown will now be permanent. https://reddit.com/r/videos/comments/145vns0/the_future_of_rvideos/

In a tildes post (I’m riding a lot of horses right now) one of the mods said:

I know this is likely a symbolic gesture because I'm fairly confident reddit will just kick us out and bring the subreddit back up, but after being on the mod team for over a decade its going to be interesting to see how things even function if they decide to take that route.

[Edit: just seen that’s there’s a top level post on this too]

[–] lynny@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No way Reddit is going to be able to replace so many mods on so many subs that deal with so many millions of users. They can try, but that doesn't mean it will work.

[–] myk@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes I was totally blown away when I saw how large that sub is. It’s incredible to see Reddit losing people with that much experience of managing and growing massive communities, but the board’s focus right is only on selling existing content to AI bros so they probably don’t care that much at the moment.

[–] Code_a@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's why it's important for normal users who leave the site to delete their comments and submission too.

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[–] Animortis@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I keep sitting here waiting for Reddit to backtrack. But it keeps not happening.

[–] roi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reddit isn't going back. Even if they did I'm sure they just convinced multiple users to not go back. I hope the blackout and tons of users moving will have a big enough impact to devalue Reddit even if somewhat.

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