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Greg Rutkowski, a digital artist known for his surreal style, opposes AI art but his name and style have been frequently used by AI art generators without his consent. In response, Stable Diffusion removed his work from their dataset in version 2.0. However, the community has now created a tool to emulate Rutkowski's style against his wishes using a LoRA model. While some argue this is unethical, others justify it since Rutkowski's art has already been widely used in Stable Diffusion 1.5. The debate highlights the blurry line between innovation and infringement in the emerging field of AI art.

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[–] SmoochyPit@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If an image is represented as a network of weighted values describing subtle patterns in the image rather than a traditional grid of pixel color values, is that copy of the image still subject to copyright law?

How much would you have to change before it isn’t? Or if you merged it with another representation, would that change your rights to that image?

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[–] storksforlegs@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

There’s a lot of philosophical disagreement here on what is theft, what is art, what is copyright… etc

The main issue people have with AI is fundamentally how is it going to be used? I know there isnt much we can do about it now, and its a shame because there it has so much potential good. Everyone defending AI is making a lot of valid points.

But at the end of the day it is a tool that is going to be misused by the rich and powerful to eliminate hundreds of millions of well paying careers, permanently. MOST well paying jobs in fact, not just artists. What the hell are people supposed to do? How is any of this a good thing?

[–] sapient_cogbag@infosec.pub 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What the hell are people supposed to do?

Eat the rich :)

More concretely, there are a number of smaller and larger sociopolitical changes that can be fought for. On the smaller side, there's rethinking the way our society values people and pushing for some kind of UBI, on the larger side there's shifting to postcapitalist economics and organisation to various degrees ^.^)

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[–] Sandra@idiomdrottning.org 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The copyright argument is a bad argument against AI art. But there are also good arguments against it.

[–] Thrashy@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

as a counterpoint, when the use-case for the tool is specifically "I want a picture that looks like it was painted by Greg Rutkowski, but I don't want to pay Greg Rutkowski to paint it for me" that sounds like the sort of scenario that copyright was specifically envisioned to protect against -- and if it doesn't protect against that, it's arguably an oversight in need of correction. It's in AI makers and users' interest to proactively self-regulate on this front, because if they don't somebody like Disney is going to wade into this at some point with expensive lobbyists, and dictate the law to their own benefit.

That said, it's working artists like Rutkowski, or friends of mine who scrape together a living off commissioned pieces, that I am most concerned for. Fantasy art like Greg makes, or personal character portraits of the sort you find on character sheets of long-running DnD games or as avatar images on forums like this one, make up the bread and butter of many small-time artists' work, and those commissions are the ones most endangered by the current state of the art in generative AI. It's great for would-be patrons that the cost of commissioning a mood piece for a campaign setting or a portrait of their fursona has suddenly dropped to basically zero, but it sucks for artists that their lunch is being eaten by an AI algorithm that was trained by slurping up all their work without compensation or even credit. For as long as artists need to get paid for their work in order to live, that's inherently anti-worker.

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