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The way I see it that instinct is the cause behind so much suffering and injustice in the world.

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[–] amio@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

No, not if we existed for another million years. It seems pretty fundamental to how we work, and how animals work in general. We basically discriminate along most possible lines. Few enough people even aspire to anything else.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The late rapper, "Eyedea" of Eyedea & Abilities had a really memorable verse in a song that always comes to mind when I hear this discussed.

Grinding my teeth as I’m peddling uphill / The fight against ape-hood is fate versus free will / We think we've advanced but there's nowhere to go / Mammals stay captive to animal actions / So slowly we climb up this DNA brick wall / Addicted to emptiness, anger and pitfalls / Desire for space, territory, or lust / We'll eventually turn this whole planet to dust

[–] Nobug404@geddit.social 3 points 1 year ago

Outside perspective. Only when we meet another other.

[–] metawish@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Bold to assume that it's an instinct and not a taught and learned behavior.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 3 points 1 year ago

I don't think it's an instinct, because it can absolutely be taught.

I encourage my kids to get along with everyone, but at the same time I can see how some of their peers are taught to be racists and other clique behaviours from home by parents who are just like that and don't even think about it when they pass it on.

But by default, nobody is like that from birth. Babies aren't racists or afraid of different kinds of people. The fear of others is taught.

It will take many generations to change.

[–] Num10ck@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] Xepher@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's a book I read a few years ago named "Tribe: On Homecoming and Belonging" that delvs into this a bit and why humans are so tribal instinctively. Would highly recommend.

https://www.amazon.com/Tribe-Homecoming-Belonging-Sebastian-Junger/dp/1455566381?ref=d6k_applink_bb_dls&dplnkId=2999a0a3-f1d3-4c19-b97a-6215a1e3c695

[–] Legendsofanus@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

I just finished this one today! Introduced me to a lot of new ideas and contexts. Good read

The "Us vs. Them" mentality is also called the "in-group bias", in which you tend to align with other members of a perceived group (with little to no logical reason, it can be as simple as belts vs. suspenders). Like many other fallacies or biases, it is a built-in feature of our caveman-brains that no longer benefits us. When used in propaganda, it is often paired with the "strawman fallacy" to build the perception of an enemy that is barely even human.

You can learn to recognize these biases in yourself and in others - This is called critical thinking. I recommend the podcast "You Are Not So Smart" to everyone to get more insight on this subject.

[–] style99@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

The way I see it that instinct is the cause behind so much suffering and injustice in the world.

That's just what they want you to think.

[–] MaShinKotoKai@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The news feeding propaganda over and over isn't helping.

[–] Hextic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago
[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think we could if enough effort was put forth into making it happen. The problem is that very same "instinct," or rather the plethora of different experiences and ideals held by individuals seems to make it harder if not impossible to ever come to a global united consensus on anything.

[–] Telorand@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This current version of humans? No. But could it ever happen? Absolutely, if we assume our future evolutionary human descendants survive and provided we can supply everyone's needs.

[–] A_A@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes ...and the name will have to change from Homo sapiens to something else.

[–] Ghostc1212@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

Homo Evolutis

[–] Telorand@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've heard from other evolutionary biologists that the next gen will be homo sapiens sapiens, and we'll be renamed something else.

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[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I hope so. Knowledge and curiousity feed intelligence feed knowledge feed curiousity. A highly educated society with healthy education sytem and good working socioeconomy (concurency in news coverage) can theoretically get over "us vs. them". Until we someday maybe lose it as evolutionary trait.

[–] Platform27@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

No. There will always be another β€œthem”. That’s what makes humans so great, but also so destructive. We never settle, and will always look for division, even if we need to create it.

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. That is human nature. In order to overcome that, we would have to evolve into a different species, which I would argue is less appealing than it might sound on the surface.

Instead of trying to overcome it, it makes more sense to build a society that directs that energy in a positive direction.

[–] realcaseyrollins@kbin.projectsegfau.lt 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe a solution could be getting rid of some tribes entirely, so that we're not so divided? We can still have tribes, but we really don't need this many of them

[–] Nutteman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Uhhh are you calling for genny cide ride now my man?

[–] PickTheStick@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nutteman! Hey, Nutteman! Race war? Nutteman! Hey, Nutteman!

[–] Nutteman@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

God dammit why did Trevor have to die? Wkuk sketches bum me out now. Still so fucking funny though.

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