Having two different smoothies but lumping together every single alcoholic beverage is certainly a survey design... choice.
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Also two colas but only one non-cola soda. That should've been categories like "lemon-lime soda," "orange soda," "cola," "root beer," etc.
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'any alcoholic beverage' is quite a lumpy category.
A more typical breakdown would be beer/wine/spirits, possibly with a separation between spirits alone vs. cocktails.
IKR? You can have any alcohol but our choices of soda are just coke and orange fanta? π©
and and then a few specific sodas are listed but no generic? seems like it should be cola flavored sodar, citrus flavored soda, other flavored soda or something.
Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...
I'm betting if you ran this exact poll under different rules, say multiple choice allowing unlimited selection, you'd get a vastly different answer.
This is because Ranked Choice is a horrible voting system. If First Past the Post wasn't so bad, RCV would have the title of worst system ever created.
Hell, the site you linked even has a "pros and cons" section where they even admit to the massive problems with the system but then hand wave them away.
Ballot exhaustion alone is a showstopper. They pretend that the voter "just didn't choose someone popular enough to win" when the reality is much more insidious. The most common form of ballot exhaustion is when your 2nd or 3rd choice is eliminated in the first round, and then your 1st choice is eliminated in a later round.
And because of how votes are counted, if you had put your 2nd choice in the 1st slot, they could have won the election, even if they were not your literal favorite.
Up to 20% of ballots cast in RCV elections are thrown out due to ballot exhaustion. That's enough votes to massively shift who wins or loses.
The basic truth here is that RCV is good at one thing. Preventing fringe candidates from spoiling an election between two front-runners. It can prevent another Bush v Gore, but that's it.
Also, in real world use, it's fucked up several elections.
Due to the need for centralized counting, the 2021 NYC mayoral race had 130,000 extra votes that turned out to have been test ballots that should never have been in the same location as the actual election ballots.
https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/6/29/22556830/nyc-board-of-election-pulls-preliminary-mayoral-results
Centralize counting and an overly complex system also resulted in the wrong winner being chosen in California. The wrong winner was sworn in and served in the position for a full month before the error was found.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Alameda-County-admits-tallying-error-in-17682520.php
There are vastly better options than RCV.
You can read up on them here. https://www.starvoting.org/
And here, https://electionscience.org/
i appreciate the strong passion and education about the poll on everyone's favorite beverage
So if you were to choose the best system for multi-candidate voting that would work for most real-life elections or multiple-choice rankings, which one would it be?
There's also Single Transferable Vote.
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Absolute best would be STAR.
A good runner-up would be Approval.
Came here to take a silly poll about drinks, came away with some actual interesting reading about better election methods. Thanks man. A shame this will never change in the US but one can dream..
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I'm trying to figure out the pros and cons of the STAR Voting method versus the pros and cons of the STV method. Can anyone help fill me in?
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For being so specific, is missing a lot of options. MtDew, rockstar/monster/red bull, squirt/fresca, etc.
I think it should be more generalized, like orange soda, cola, etc, or just sodas, energy drinks, etc.
Sweet tea!
Im a fan of energy drinks. I think you should have categorised the soft drinks into one category. There's a lot more to be included.
Milk but no βnon-dairy milkβ option?
Non dairy milk is still milk for the purposes of this poll.
(I didn't even know there was such a thing, sorry for my ignorance.)
Out of curiousity, where do you live? Alternative milks (like oat-milk, soy-milk, almond-milk, etc) have become very popular the past few years.
Oh shit I knew I was missing something. How could I forget soy milk lol. It's hard to think with depression...
Edit: USA
Yea I meant plant-based βmilksβ (I know theyβre now called βbeveragesβ but I havenβt come around to it just yet).
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If it wasn't specific sodas and instead generics like cola vs root beer vs fruity flavored, I would have voted for a soda over an alcoholic beverage.
No horchata? :(
Que rico!
You forgot about soda water
Yep give me any flavored sparkly water and that would be mine
No lemonade?
Ahh forgot... π€·ββοΈ
No Schweppes? For shame.
Also, cheers to my milk tea brethren.
Huh, that is interesting
Milk, milk tea, and 2 different smoothies, but no milkshakes? Bah!
I enjoy a good old fashioned chocolate malt.
It's too hard to compare water, flavored drinks, and smoothies. Those are all different things
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Just voted! Looks like water and coffee are going strong so far, which I also ended up voting for on top too. Lots of super sugary stuff, honestly having an herbal tea, coffee, or sparkling water I feel much better after vs a soda or juice.
my favorite drinks are
coffee -> kratom -> kava -> water -> tea
I WILL be a caffeine addicted green tea purist and drink nothing else
If I can't choose water, then probably Soda.
What do you mean you can't choose water? Water is listed as an option.
I am dumb and did not recognize that it's a link to a poll.
I guess technically, it's still accurate to say, "if I can't choose water..."
Good thing you CAN choose water though.
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