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If you do, then what exactly defines a soul in your view?

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[–] Saigonauticon@voltage.vn 2 points 1 year ago

It seems like a way to take all the things I don't understand particularly well, and put them in a category that I fail to define precisely.

My preference is not to do that, because I have a hard time believing in something that I can't characterize reasonably well.

[–] DarthCluck@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

As an agnostic, I have two answers. On the spiritual side, maybe...? I mean I don't know if God stuff is real, so how could I know if a soul is real?

On the other side, I wonder if as we delve deeper into quantum mechanics, were going to discover things about the human body, and the nature of life, that could conceivably be called a soul

[–] pattmayne@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't believe in a soul that's separate from the body, or that lives on afterward. But the way that "inanimate" matter can spin up thoughts and feelings and a consistent personal experience that can last for decades... It's almost fair to call that thing a soul. It's fair to talk about nurturing your soul and growing a soul.

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[–] e033x@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

As in dualism? Nope, I'm a fairly strict physicalist. Consciousness is the brain doing brain-things.

[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Im Egoist, so technically atheist, there are none until proven otherwise.

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[–] fermionsnotbosons@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I haven't see any measurable proof of one, or any experiment proposed that would render the idea of a soul falsifiable or not. Honestly, the current debate in philosophy/neuroscience on the existence (or non-existence) of free-will seems like a more important question, that if answered in the negative would have major implications on even the definition of the word 'soul'.

Fun question though, I've enjoyed reading the diversity of thought on the matter in this thread. :)

[–] lorez@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

No. Smell the flowers while you can.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I believe that what defines a person is a pattern of neurons firing in the brain. I also believe that if said pattern could be perfectly replicated on some other medium (along with all the associated physiological inputs that keep it humming and changing), that new pattern would be indistinguishable from the original.

There are infinite possible outcomes to every action, branching off from each moment. And there are also infinite parallel realities that branched off of previous moments. The pattern that is your consciousness will also branch off infinitely. But imagine a fork in the road where one direction is death. Your consciousness cannot take that route, because it no longer exists on that branch. But it DOES still exist in the other, and it has no choice but to continue onward.

Thus, you will never experience death.

Your consciousness may change along its beaching paths, perhaps contorting into something completely new, but it will never truly end.

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[–] NochMehrG@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

Well, I use the word "soul" to sum up what makes a person a person, their base values, moral standpoint, what they love and hate etc. The warmth of a person. In the same way I would say that somebody forfeits their soul because of their acts. And I'd argue that our soul "lives on" after we die in the people we've made an impression on or in general through the effects of our actions. But some magic person-container? No. We die and then we're dead.

[–] CaptainBuddha@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would call myself an agnostic, and I suppose I believe in a soul... In that they are a (potentially inaccurate) way of describing the singularity of oneself.

We contain something which has conscious thoughts, and awareness of "itself" while existing. I suppose that would be a soul, no? We can remember and have individual lives with isolated moments no one else will ever know. Are those memories really only random creases in our brain? Do the feelings and deeper experiences for you wash away as nothing alongside the mechanics of those memories? What makes us... well, us?

I like to think the soul is just that, the part of ourselves that is truly unique, and can only fully be witnessed internally. The part of you that is only ever going to fully exist in the here and now, while still recalling the there and then. That which gives us the full breadth of emotion tied to deeper thought, and hopefully some understanding. That, at least, is a miraculous thing to get to experience... spiritually or not.

The immutability of a soul is a different question, one which we'll get an answer to after the physical living stops.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Best answer here. Soul is more of a high level concept, I'm not a spiritual person by any means, but say there was a fully conscious AI, I would say there is a difference between that and human consciousness, and that would be what I define as the soul. What is that, is that neurons in the head or is that an amalgamation of our entire being? Idk.

I don't believe anything happens after death, I think ashes to ashes, but I do think there is a spark, something there that we can't quite quantify... yet.

Worded even more succinctly than my rambling did! It's a loaded question, one that has a lot of answers that may all be wrong for what we currently know.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I like Douglas Hofstadter's concept of the soul as a self referential mechanism. His book: 'I am a strange loop' expands on this, which is a bit more spiritual (for lack of a better word) expansion of his ideas in GΓΆdel, Escher Bach.

It also explains how your own loop incorporates and curates the memories of the people you love and how you're able to live, and see though their 'eyes' after they have died.

So the soul of others finds an explanation in yourself, and allows you to live in in other people's minds, without any super natural constructs.

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[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Nope.

The mind is what the brain does; when the brain stops doing, the mind stops being.

[–] Ixoid@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

No. If you can't find it in an autopsy, did it ever exist in the first place? Too many people confuse 'soul' for 'mind' (IMHO)

[–] downtide@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

I think I'll remain agnostic on that one. Ask me again in 50 years and I'll probably know the answer by then. Unless I happen to somehow reach the age of 106 without dying, in which case I'll take a raincheck.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't believe it, but I some times wonder if some kind of self is preserved as energy within the universe somehow. Effectively being a soul, but in a sense of physics more than spirituality. Much like how the physical body will decay and return to the earth, the energy that makes up consciousness could simply return to the universe.

[–] Celivalg@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 points 1 year ago

No, I wanted to explain why I don't believe in their existance, but I couldn't write something without comming off as an asshole, so sorry.

[–] kyub@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

No. Soul = personality, nothing magic.

[–] its4am@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As an atheist, I would love to be proven wrong - that there's a benevolent all-knowing entity who guarantees eternal life in meadows lush with rivers of milk and honey (throw in the 72 virgins while we're at it). If there's any one thing that even remotely has a chance of changing my mind to accept this fantasy, it is the thought of being reunited with my pets when I die.

[–] dottedgreenline@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I wonder if the sex slaves in heaven have souls? Also do they live as virgins until they are of an appropriate age for you? Are they some sort of angel clone? Or clones of humans who have lived before, or are still alive? Or are they bred for that task? Do they just appear when you're horny? The logistics of god's brothel is quite funny to think about. I guess they're some magical hand-wavy entities of some sort. I mean, the same could also be said for god's park areas. Who does the gardening? Maybe god does all of it. So those 72 virgins are god in a skin suit. Very theological.

[–] PeWu@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I don't think humans have souls. When we die, we do just that. I don't think we are so special to have something other species don't, so if we (humans) have them, then other species also can.

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

It's a useful term in sentences like "This hurts my soul", but I don't need the metaphysical claims around it.

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