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Data on search engine market share is available, but I wonder what that looks like for Lemmy users in particular, who I would assume lean more technical than the average user, so probably use DuckDuckGo and alternates more than Google.

I use a mix of DuckDuckGo and Kagi. I'll also use ChatGPT, which can be good if you're careful to verify the answers it gives you as a check against hallucinations. It's useful for short, direct answers without ads or SEO bullshit.

This article on Ars (and if you're not a subscriber, you absolutely should be, as they are the best tech journalists out there) inspired the question: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/06/google-admits-reddit-protests-make-it-harder-to-find-helpful-search-results

Fucking Reddit. Enshittification ruins everything.

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[–] thatonedude1210@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

DuckDuckGo here.

[–] kalipike@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

I'll give a search on Duck Duck Go, and if I can't find what I need then I'll use Google.

But at this point I'm using Google Bard and ChatGPT more and more, at least at work.

[–] rnd@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

DuckDuckGo for me personally.

[–] kuchaibee@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

DDG for everyday usage. Sometimes I try searching the same things on google just to compare results. I've tried searxng instances on and off in the past but its rarely been reliable for me and self hosting isn't really an option for me.

[–] Hakaku@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Google. As much as I'd like to use other search engines, their search results are all severely lacking and not adequate for my needs (often pertaining to research) and they're generally not as great on the multilingual front or in searching pdfs.

I also have some keywords set up in my browser so I can directly search sites I use (e.g. Wikipedia).

[–] jherazob@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

I use DuckDuckGo, but mostly as a "terminal to the internet". In a few keystrokes i've opened a new tab, navigated to the homepage (https://start.duckduckgo.com/), then used a Bang to do a direct search inside the particular site or thing i need. For many things specially tech questions i do fall back to Google though

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 year ago

Duck duck go. Google for maps

[–] davehtaylor@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

They're all garbage. Content farms and SEO nonsense has been flooding search engines with useless garbage for years. Either that or pages that simply copy forum threads over and over and over so you get a whole results page of what appears to be different sites, but are all a copy of the same forum thread from 2007. Or they grab your search string and then you have a page that looks like it's exactly what you need, only to find out it's scammy bullshit. But AI is making that whole problem exponentially worse.

I've tried DDG many many times over the years. Sometimes it's ok. But overall, most of the results i get just aren't relevant, and it seems like over the last year or two DDG's results have gotten way worse. I always end up back on Google. As crappy as Google is, the results still end up being more relevant overall.

[–] Midou@kbin.projectsegfau.lt 1 points 1 year ago

SearXNG, searches every search engine and regroups them in a single list, alongside the very powerful "bang" variant they use ("!!" is like "!" for ddg, and "!" is to only search with this search engine, ":en" is to choose a specific shortcode language.)

[–] xusontha@l.buckodr.ink 1 points 1 year ago

I use Ecosia. It works quite well, and if I ever need to search something on Google instead (like a coin flip/stock ticker) you can just do #g or #yt for Youtube They also plant trees and are carbon negative

[–] visiblink@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I use DuckDuckStart (https://duckduckstart.com/). It searches Startpage by default and uses DDG if you include a bang.

[–] Thalestr@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Huh, interesting. Never knew such a thing existed or even imagined it.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Thalestr@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Used to use SearXNG but got increasingly frustrated with it, so I mostly use DDG these days. Although, that being said, most search engines these days are filled with SEO clickbait trash which makes it basically mandatory to do site:reddit.com

Might have to try Kagi some day, despite my reservations about their pricing.

[–] SemioticStandard@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What frustrated you about SearXNG?

[–] Thalestr@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Many SearXNG hosts alter your search results without any easy way of opting out. For example, several will change Reddit links to Libreddit or use another frontend for Wikipedia and so on. Doing this, and not giving an accessible option to disable it, is unacceptable in my opinion. A search engine has no business in tampering with someone's results like this. If someone wishes to use Libreddit then that is their choice to do so - not the search provider's.

[–] tenet@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

A combination of DDG and Google. DDG's results too often look like a list of sponsors so when that happens I fuck right back off to Google.

Get an ad blocker, get Privacy Badger, use a VPN, experience the internet the way it was before corporate shitbags got hold of it. Mostly.

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[–] BaroqueInMind@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The only correct answer here is to use an instance of SearXNG because it's open source, utilizes privacy, and queries every kind of search engine that exists on the internet.

[–] Anarch157a@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

This thread inspired me to stop procrastinating and deploy my own instance. On a brand new Debian 12 install (an LXC container in Proxmox), the process is absolutely simple and painless.

[–] therealcaptncrunch67@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This.

Plus some instances like searx.tiekoetter.com replace links to page that contain ads and trackers with their alternative (twitter with nitter, YouTube with Invidious, reddit with libreddit, etc).

[–] BenGFHC@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you know of a way i can implement that on an instance i'm self-hosting?

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[–] nameless_prole@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can we stop trying to coin cute terms like "enshittification"? What that term describes is just capitalism working as intended.

There is a term that describes this behavior that we've been using for at least decades (to describe behavior that has happened since the inception of capitalism): rent seeking.

[–] tenet@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

"Rent-seeking is the act of growing one's existing wealth by manipulating the social or political environment without creating new wealth. Rent-seeking activities have negative effects on the rest of society. They result in reduced economic efficiency through misallocation of resources, reduced wealth creation, lost government revenue, heightened income inequality, risk of growing political bribery, and potential national decline."

None of which have anything to do with a tech company purposefully dumpstering usability in favor of profits.

Enshittification is the otherwise poorly-described process by which a company establishes itself with a new service or product and immediately begins finding ways to further monetize said product or service that in no way adds to their offerings.

Look no further than Reddit for a prime example. "We're totally a bastion of free speech and user-generated content, okay not that speech because the advertisers don't like it, but nobody likes Nazis so fuck 'em, but also we need more revenue so we'll allow SOME Nazis, and now we need to offset the lost advertisers so let's add gamification and awards and avatars you have to pay money for oh by the way we're getting rid of tits because advertisers don't like those, look you plebs are too costly and our precious advertisers are the ones that actually make us money so everything you do has to fall within their restrictions, fuck you all how about you just die in individual car fires, we were never about free speech, I am Spez, hear me r/oar."

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[–] zlatiah@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Self-hosted SearXNG. Very easy to self-host, and (for the most part) works just fine

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