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[–] lesinge@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Perhaps they aren't killed in the same numbers in Ukraine, but mass kidnapping and relocation to Russia is pretty shit too.

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe all war is horrible, and should be used as a very last resort to save civilian lives. Maybe people should just be allowed to live their lives in peace.

[–] lesinge@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Wouldn't that be nice.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would imagine the genocides in Bosnia or Rwanda were worse... but are they counting that as "modern times".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_genocide

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide

[–] livus@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes those are worse using their deaths per day metric, but they don't seem to be going before 2008, or looking at civilian on civilian.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's the problem with getting old... "Bosnia and Rwanda, that was, what? 10? 12 years ago?...

(looks up Wikipedia) 1992, 1994, 1995... yeah, so, like 10-12 years ago... tops..."

[–] livus@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know! Or people talk about how they love old movies... like Fight Club.

The problem for-real though is you end up with all this knowledge about how things went down and you realise half the people you're talking to don't know about any of that.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or weren't even ALIVE for it...

[–] livus@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

There are adults here now who weren't alive when Fight Club came out either!

But yeah just the other day we were talking about Freedom Fries and some people didn't realise it had been a real phenomenon. They thought it was just a joke.

[–] FriendBesto@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

For children, surely top 5. Rwanda and Yemen, the USA's caused deaths in Iraq due to the power vacuum they created are higher though.

[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe Susan, Yemen, the Rohingya… all those that aren’t remembered often

[–] livus@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yemen is in their chart.

The key here is that they are comparing the per day figures.

This conflict is not yet over. If it lasts as long as the one in Yemen, at this rate it would kill 347,380 children.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

God damnit, Susan! I told you that's not ok!!!

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a real neck and neck race between genocidal war and America's school system

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Out of all the negative news, this actually made me laugh out loud lol.

HS was so screwed, even though it was supposed to be the 3rd best in the state.