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Exciting news for who? Only the site owner is excited that a free resource now requires a subscription

"Yay! Now I have to pay another subscription! I'm so excited! Let's celebrate with them!" - nobody

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[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 346 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I have no skin in this game but I think it sounds like they need to change their name from "open subtitles" to "closed captioning"

Edit: stupid STT

[–] Tier1BuildABear@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago

Eyyyyyy got em

[–] ilega_dh@feddit.nl 192 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Gather all the worlds subtitles under the guise of being “open” and then bait and switch when you’re the largest subtitles database out there.

The free API had a limit of 20 subs/day, you’re not going to tell me those server costs were significant.

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 142 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

The new API has the exact same free limit. They're just dropping support for the old API soon and people who want to depend on the old version will need to pay for its continued support because they want to push everyone onto the new site/API

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 86 points 1 year ago (1 children)

then they utterly failed to communicate that lol

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

It doesn’t say the new API costs money, though. It just says the old API requires VIP for people that can’t switch to the new API…

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 30 points 1 year ago

Yea OP should update the post. OS did a horrible job communicating but its not as dire as the title projects.

[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think it goes from 20 to 5. 10 if you're not anonymous. To get more you need to have contributed to the site, monetarily or other wise.

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[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And yeah sure, server costs and all. OTOH, subtitle files are tiny, so there's only so much money you can ask for it realistically.

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[–] Tag365@lemmy.world 132 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why is it called "OpenSubtitles" if you have to pay for it to use it in any capacity?

[–] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 124 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Probably because anyone can contribute to it. But you have to pay to use them.

Kinda like another website that recently made this change...

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 83 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Monetizing the goodwill efforts of passionate people is so gross.

[–] Mr_nutter_butter@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Why we need comuity run sites again lemmy is just the start

[–] model_tar_gz@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It’s “Open” in the same way that OpenAI is “Open”.

“Open” ≠ “Open Source” or “Open Access”. It’s more like: “Open for Business”.

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[–] Ludrol@szmer.info 119 points 1 year ago (2 children)

REST API docs

Your consumer can query the API on its own, and download 5 subtitles per IP's per 24 hours, but a user must be authenticated to download more. Users will then be able to download as many subtitles as their ranks allows, from 10 as simple signed up user, to 1000 for VIP user.

I think it's reasonable move. They have Legacy API that cost them a lot of manhours to maitain and they decided to cut on costs and replace it with a new thing. Sadly they decresed amount of api calls from 20 to 5 [needs citation]

I think they don't have good PR guy to better communicate the change

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 45 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Subtitles are like 5kb text files, why even limit their downloads in any way?

[–] jayandp@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 year ago

The overhead isn't the storage but the request. Processing a request takes CPU time, which can get expensive when people setup a media server and request subtitles for dozens of movies and shows. Every episode of a TV show is a separate request and that can add up fast when you scale it to thousands of users.

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[–] vox@sopuli.xyz 62 points 1 year ago

well it has been deprecated for a few years, and they're basically asking you to play for continued support.
they have a new REST api, but you still need the old one, pay up because otherwise there's no motivation to keep it around.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh, are chocolate rations up to 60 grams now?

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[–] Zoidberg@lemm.ee 56 points 1 year ago (5 children)

So what pisses me off in these cases is this: they didn't contribute with the data. They're a convenient aggregator, I give them that, but the data came from third parties. If you want to start charging for convenient access to the data you should at least make all data before you started charging available in a bulk download for free.

[–] beeng@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't call yourself open ffs

[–] ky56@aussie.zone 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Stumblinbear@pawb.social 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You just need to move to the new API, which is free, the old one is still available temporarily if you pay

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[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

contribute to a greater cause

For the greater good, that is their pockets.

[–] burgersc12@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago

I am your wife! I am the greatest good you are ever gonna get!

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HOLY SHIT! 12 whole dollars a YEAR to keep using the deprecated API they don't want to support anymore. What monsters.

[–] b0gl@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol gotta pay for "adfree subtitles"

[–] pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Luke, I am [over the moon for these Sobeys™️ rebates!]"

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[–] marx2k@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

lol I got that emaik and read that exactly the same.

Someone should hire that author for a large corporation's pr department

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What really caught my attention was OpenSubtitles going from a .org to a .com domain.

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[–] vynlwombat@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Ddhuud@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Like your landlord

[–] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I had issues in the past with opensubtitles serving malware through fake download buttons on the site.

You had like 6 different buttons to download with only one legit.

Sent them an email and they removed them...

I hardly trust this site and really don't appreciate they use open in their name and pull up shit like this.

I wish we had some sort of P2P sub hosting... So we don't have to deal with sites like opensubtitles.

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[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Image Transcription: Email


OpenSubtitles

Dear Redacted,

Exciting news! OpenSubtitles.org is undergoing a transformation, retiring the original API by the end of 2023. Fear not, as this paves the way for the advanced OpenSubtitles.com REST API. We also understand, in some scenarios there is no way to use new API yet, so original API will be avaliable from New Year only for VIP Users.

Change is Good: Introducing the 20% Black Friday Treat!

Celebrate with us! Enjoy a 20% discount on a one-year VIP subscription until November 24th, 2023, so you can use original API. Elevate your VIP experience on both www.opensubtitles.org and www.opensubtitles.com. Instead of 15 USD per year you can get this deal for 12 USD.

VIP Advantage: Unlock Exclusive Benefits

  • Usage opensubtitles.org API
  • Ad-Free Web Experience
  • Direct Download Links
  • Higher Download Limits
  • Ad-Free Subtitles
  • User Profile Visibility
  • Contribute to a Greater Cause

Seize this limited-time offer and become a VIP member today. Enhance your subtitle experience - ad-free, seamless, and with higher download limit access.

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[–] plz1@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Site owner and whomever in marketing wrote that. Pure psychopathy, IMO.

[–] RiQuY@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They should rename the site to PaywalledSubtitles.

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[–] match@pawb.social 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Exciting News For People Who Hate You

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[–] Spuddlesv2@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 year ago

A proper REST API sounds like exciting news to me, and I’m sure anyone who needs to interact with their APIs..

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No idea, not using the website via API

I'm not irritated by the switch but by the phrasing. You can't start an email like this with "exciting news"

[–] hellequin67@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's exciting news for them 😀, money money money

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[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 year ago

Sorry my dude, you are stoking outrage over something you do not use and apparently do not understand. Look at some of the posts that explain it does not mean the whole page is now for profit, it is not.

[–] JStenoien@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yes, for up to 20 calls per day.

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[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

Anger is a form of excitement.

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