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The Senate just unanimously adopted a resolution condemning pro-Palestine student protesters as "in solidarity with Hamas" and anti-semitic. 🤡 (www.hawley.senate.gov)

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[–] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago

What a fuckin' clown show

[–] RedWizard@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did something change since this: https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/10/19/democrat-senator-blocks-hawley-resolution-condemning-antisemitism-college-campuses/

[–] darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes: https://www.hawley.senate.gov/senate-passes-hawley-resolution-condemning-antisemitism-college-campuses

Thursday, October 26, 2023

Today the U.S. Senate passed by voice vote U.S. Senator Josh Hawley's resolution condemning Hamas and the antisemitic student groups on college campuses that have celebrated the Oct. 7 terrorist attack against Israel. The passage of the resolution came after Democrats blocked the measure one week ago.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 year ago

The Senate.gov website blocks my country hilarious

[–] HowMany@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

As Israel continues to white wash genocide.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 1 year ago

I can't read the original article, but I think everyone here is being disingenuous with their fast and loose interpretations of words.

There's a difference between pro Palestine, anti-apartheid organizations,

And pro Hamas organizations.

As far as I can tell the Senate is censuring student organizations which are pro Hamas.

This is being reported in the media as the Senate is censoring pro-Palestine organizations.

That means at least one party is conflating pro Palestine and pro Hamas.

There are plenty of organizations which are pro Palestine but anti-Hamas. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_State_of_Palestine

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

At this point anyone who is not 110% pro-Hamas is a fucking nazi.

Deal with it, libs.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your rhetoric is just helping your enemies silence your voice.

If you're not with us you're against us is classic fascist talk. And people don't take well to it, especially if they're on the fence

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If somebody is on the fence regarding whether Israel should be doing a genocide or not they can get fucked

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The person I was responding to said your either pro Hamas or your a nazi.

That's a false dichotomy.

Stating that will only appease hardliners, not sway the opposition and push away anyone who isn't firmly in either camp.

Your response to me conflates the pro hamas / pro Palestine issue.

There are many anti apartheid people who are against hamas. Fatah as one example

[+] yogthos@lemmy.ml -6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let's be real here, Hamas is the only meaningful resistance against Israeli apartheid regime today. Pointing out that there are some fringe groups out there isn't really an argument. People who claim to be on the fence and who aren't firmly supporting the right of the occupied people to resist a genocidal regime are implicitly supporting a genocide.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Fatah is not a fringe group. They represent 3 million Palestinians

Saying your with us or against us is going to alieniate people, it's not the recruitment tool you think it is. It's a threat, but online it's a empty threat. It works great when the local toughs say it, they will beat you up, burn your house down, or rob you at night.... It's what bullies say when they don't have good arguments

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Vast majority of the world supports Palestine and Hamas against Israel, and what terminally online westies really doesn't matter in the slightest. Israel is committing genocide, and vast majority of people in the world has taken a stand against this. If you feel alienated by that then that's a you problem.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Your logic is invalid. Your presupposing the vast majority of the world, believes in Hamas, you're saying 3.5 billion people or more, believes in hamas's cause. I don't believe that's the case, I would hazard a guess to say most people in the world don't care either way.

Even the majority of people in Palestine don't support Hamas, the majority support fatah....

You're assuming people's motivations. Which is very dangerous to do.

I would say by default most people are in favor of freedom, and if it doesn't cost them anything they would support people being free. Most people don't support violence, not because they're against violence, but they'd rather things just remain stable day by day

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Once again, Hamas is the only meaningful resistance against the genocidal Israeli regime backed by the west. Vast majority of the world supports the right of Palestinians for self determination including violent resistance against the occupiers. Most countries in the Global South have also themselves been victims of western colonialism. You can keep on believing whatever you like of course.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ah ok, let's take your last comment piece by piece.

Hamas is the only meaningful resistance against genocidal Israeli regieme
Vast majority of the world supports Palestine right to self determination
Vast majority of the world supports Palestine use of violent resistance

I would agree that most people agree with 2&3. But it's a huge leap to say most of the world including the global south supports 1, especially since Hamas is advocating for a Jewish holocaust.

They may even be sympathetic to the current events, but saying the world believes in a genocide is a huge stretch.

In fact, your hurting the people who want to help the Palestine people, and end apartheid - by conflating Hamas and supporting Palestine you make it MORE difficult to bring support to Palestine. You provide rhetoric that is used against you, 'they just hate a religion other than themselves'.