this post was submitted on 12 Oct 2023
282 points (97.0% liked)

Movies and TV Shows

2 readers
2 users here now

General discussion about movies and TV shows.


Spoilers are strictly forbidden in post titles.

Posts soliciting spoilers (endings, plot elements, twists, etc.) should contain [spoilers] in their title. Comments in these posts do not need to be hidden in spoiler MarkDown if they pertain to the title's subject matter.

Otherwise, spoilers but must be contained in MarkDown as follows:

::: your spoiler warning
the crazy movie ending that no one saw coming!
:::

Your mods are here to help if you need any clarification!


Subcommunities: The Bear (FX) - [!thebear@lemmy.film](/c/thebear @lemmy.film)


Related communities: !entertainment@beehaw.org !moviesuggestions@lemmy.world

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

I first heard about FX’s “Archer” in the ready room of VAQ-135, a navy squadron who were serving an interminable deployment aboard an aircraft carrier somewhere near Midway Island. (This sounds very much like a humblebrag that Sterling Archer would obnoxiously drop into conversation). It was 2010, and the pilots had lost whatever idealism they’d once had during an endless deployment that had them flying 12-hour missions from the Persian Gulf to Afghanistan. I started hearing the officers stage-whisper “danger zone” whenever one of them got called in to see the commanding officer over some minor fuck-up or summoned to the flight deck in the pitch black of an ocean night.

Now, famously, “Danger Zone” is a Kenny Loggins song that plays a significant role in the homoerotic original recipe “Top Gun,” the urtext of naval aviators. But the way the pilots were saying it suggested they were taking the piss. Eventually, one of them explained to me that “danger zone” was one of the catchphrases of Sterling Archer, the dissolute Bond-on-a-bender at the center of “Archer,” a spy comedy that had premiered the year before. Sterling, a pilot explained, was the son of the louche and alcoholic Malory Archer who’d founded a spy agency populated by a half-dozen other assholes who ran profoundly dangerous and pointless missions for a revolving series of international actors.

I was working on a book and cosplaying at being a Navy officer, and then flew off the carrier to head up to NAS Whidbey Island, where I checked into the base hotel in pursuit of my first good night sleep in a month. There, I made the happy mistake of downloading the first season of “Archer,” and that was that. I didn’t fall asleep — instead I fell in love, which says something about me that I’m not sure is completely positive.

The first episode begins with Sterling (H. Jon Benjamin) strung up on a wall about to be tortured. His handler speaks in a bad Russian accent: “Sterling Archer, code name Duchess, known from Berlin to Bangkok as the world’s most dangerous spy.” An unimpressed Archer then asks his tormentor if he is going to be tortured with the flaccid voltage of the guy’s go-kart battery. The man sighs, the lights go on and behind a two-way mirror is silver-haired Malory Archer, voiced by Jessica Walter, expressing exasperation. We quickly learn that this is a simulation, and Archer’s code name of “Duchess” is also the name of Malory’s dog who she loved very much — as we see in a portrait of dog and Malory posing naked like John and Yoko.

The use of Bangkok is also not an accident, as Sterling is the male slut of the 21st Century, or the 20th Century, as the time of the show is comically never established and is somewhere in the 1960 to 2020 range. (There are Cold War standoffs, but also cellphones and desktop computers). Sterling never knew his father; Malory isn’t even quite sure who it was, perhaps a KGB spy or maybe Buddy Rich. (Sterling inherited the libertine gene from his mother).

The wordplay between Malory and Sterling is the diseased artery that keeps the blood of the show pumping. In an early episode, Malory warns Sterling to keep his least savory dates away from her pharmaceutical stash.

Malory: I don’t want another one of your sullen whores using my medicine cabinet as a Pez dispenser.
Archer: That wasn’t her fault! Who puts Oxycontin in a Xanax container?
Malory: People with servants!
Archer: But if they’re stealing pills, how does it help to switch the labels?
Malory: Because they can’t read English!

“Archer” is the sole creation of Adam Reed, who wrote or co-wrote the first 103 of the show’s 142 episodes. The setup is that of a standard workplace comedy, with the twist that every character is a narcissistic asshole. It is set in the Manhattan offices of the International Secret Intelligence Service (ISIS). (It was named before “ISIS” became a known actual terrorism organization, and was dropped in 2015 as a result.) On the show, ISIS is populated by assorted arsonists, careerists and food addicts, starting with Lana Kane (Aisha Tyler) as Sterling’s Black sometimes girlfriend. She is beautiful and ambitious, but has unseemly large hands alternately described as the size of cricket bats or Johnny Bench’s catcher mitt. The agency features HR director Pam Poovey (Amber Nash) the daughter of a Wisconsin dairy farm who has a weight problem until she discovers cocaine and develops a drug problem. Her subordinate is Cheryl Tunt (Judy Greer) who likes to be choked, start fires and is later revealed to be the heiress to the Tunt railroad fortune. In the back lab is Krieger (Lucky Yates), a scientist of sorts who was raised in Brazil, possibly conceived with Hitler’s DNA. Then there’s Cyril Figgis (Chris Parnell), an often cuckolded agency accountant who is charisma-free if well-endowed. Watching with a side eye is agent Ray Gillette, a gay Southern dandy voiced by Reed, who battles with the semi-homophobic Sterling over pressing issues such as whether Ray’s bronze medal from the Winter Olympics makes him a loser. (Ray insists it was a triumph, but when Sterling leaves the room he sighs and drawls, “It was a huge disappointment.”)

“Archer” is driven by black humor and black hearts. It has something in common with fellow FX show “The League,” which also debuted in 2009 (and ran until 2015), and it’s hard to see either show being greenlit in the allegedly more enlightened time of 2023 with their helpings of gay jokes and rampant misogyny. Yet there was a significant difference between the two shows. There was exactly one woman and no gay characters or people of color in “The League’s” main cast, and the men’s boorishness is celebrated. “Archer” is different: Every time Sterling expresses his 1950s view of women, race relations or gay life, he is pummeled —both verbally and physically — by his so-called colleagues.

Sterling is the focus of the show, but he is no hero. We all can see he is a pathetic alcoholic who will never get his mother’s approval. (She’d passed on Sterling’s parenting duties to his British valet Woodhouse, who Sterling pays back by rubbing fine sand into his eyes for sport. This may or may not be why Woodhouse is a heroin user).

None of this would work if “Archer” didn’t have the best voice cast in the history of animated television. (You can throw projectiles at me, just know I am in my underground bunker). The acidic banter flows seamlessly like you are in a Tylenol with caffeine fever dream. Benjamin’s Archer has a stentorian super- spy voice that is a perfectly comic counterpoint to his actual buffoonery. Walter did a variation of Lucille Bluth if she was always randy and reminiscing about lost sex weekends in Phuket. Nash’s Pam has a vulnerability, not much seen on the show, as she pounds Tall Boys for breakfast and participates in bum fights. I’m not saying “Archer” is on the level of, say, “The Simpsons” or “Bojack Horseman,” but the cast is a notch above.

While some “Archer” seasons have arcs, most are contained 22 minutes of dyspeptic laughs with a side helping of Reed playing with the concept of comedy catchphrases, including Sterling shouting “Phrasing!” whenever someone makes an inadvertent double entendre, which happens about 17 times each episode. But even this is a snarky wink: In a later season Archer shouts “Phrasing!” and the rest of the agency informs him they’re not doing that anymore, to his great disappointment.

“Archer” is the sitcom equivalent of Oasis, whose early stuff is flawless, but whose later seasons, while uneven, still contained some banger singles. There is not a duff episode in the first seven seasons, with the best ones including guest voice work from cable legends, including Matthew Rhys, Timothy Olyphant, Anthony Bourdain, and Walters’ real-life husband Ron Liebman as Malory’s mismatched boyfriend Ron Cadillac. The ability of Reed to establish the crew quickly in different scenarios — whether it be as undercover workers in Bourdain’s kitchen, or in the countryside of Rhys’ native Wales — proves how deftly Reed created his characters.

Alas, this is “Archer,” so not all is sunshine and merry-go-round ride. At some point around 2017, when the show switched from FX to FXX, it seems like someone made a bet with Reed about how insane he could make “Archer” without the show getting canceled. Sterling went into a coma — no, really — and the show time traveled, in no particular order, to 1947 Hollywood, a 1930s Pacific island, outer space and on the Oregon Trail in the 1860s. (OK, I made the last one up). Reed left after Season 10, and the show stumbled some more after the death of the irreplaceable Walter in 2021. I can only hazard a guess that “Archer” was left to soldier on by FX knowing it could run endless midnight “Archer” marathons to stoned college kids for decades.

Miraculously, “Archer’s” final season has been a return to the show’s classic roots, with Kane assuming Malory’s seat as head of the agency and new London agent Zara Khan (Natalie Dew) playing Sterling’s new foil who enrages the decaying playboy because she is his doppelganger: Overconfidence and narcissism ooze from her perfect pores.

Tonight, “Archer” signs off. There’s an embargo on the episode’s details, but if you think the final chapter will feature a wedding or some happy wrap-up you haven’t been paying attention. Sterling Archer and his colleagues remain irredeemable jerks. Just the way we have always loved them.

all 44 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 74 points 1 year ago (2 children)

One of the very few shows I can rewatch. The pre coma seasons were just spectacular

[–] GeekFTW@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Indeed. S01-S04 are on a near-constant loop round these parts (the rest splattered in as desired lol).

[–] baatliwala@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Only the first two coma seasons were bad. Pre coma is fantastic and everything from the last coma season onwards might not have consistent highs as good as the earlier ones but they are definitely worth watching and I would even go as far as to call them... good.

[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're the one who has convinced me to go back and give it a try. I'll try not to hold it against you if I dislike it.

[–] baatliwala@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Haha hope you enjoy it

[–] bazus1@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

H Jon Benjamin is a national treasure and must be protected at all costs. He and Patrick Warburton can do all the voiceovers in my headcanon.

[–] fratermus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

H Jon Benjamin is a national treasure

PSA: Coach McGuirk in [Home Movies(https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0197159/) is peak H Jon Benjamin

[–] bazus1@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Fungah@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you people not even know that he has a van?

[–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

Bob Belcher speaking for the turkey

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

[–] bazus1@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago
[–] zeekaran@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

That was my first Benjamin.

[–] joemo@lemmy.sdf.org 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Always enjoyed Archer, didn't realize this was it. However, I am kind of glad it's over. I hate seeing things continuously dragged out just because it makes the networks some money. I hope it ends in a way which the creators and cast are happy with.

I look at Supernatural as a prime example of this. End it after 5 seasons. It could have been great, but seasons 6-11? or so were really bad IIRC. There was a great story arc that they should have just left alone.

[–] ZeroCool@feddit.ch 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I look at Supernatural as a prime example of this. End it after 5 seasons. It could have been great, but seasons 6-11? or so were really bad IIRC. There was a great story arc that they should have just left alone.

The X-Files suffered from the same thing. Season 5's finale, appropriately titled "The End" was supposed to be the series finale. The X-Files movie (1998) was supposed to wrap up the main storyline of the show and transition the franchise into a series of big budget films. But before the movie was even released in theaters Fox got cold feet about losing one of their prime-time ratings juggernauts and negotiated a renewal to keep the show on TV for another four seasons... That's when things really started to fall apart. The show's main "mythology" storyline was always kind of a mess but in order to keep it going after the movie they had to do a lot of reconning.

Don't get me wrong, some of my favorite stand alone/MoTW episodes are from seasons 6 and 7, for example, Drive written by Vince Gilligan and guest starring Bryan Cranston. The Unnatural written and directed by David Duchovny. And X-Cops, which saw Mulder and Scully being reluctantly followed by a camera crew who happened to be filming an episode of the reality TV series Cops with the local PD (this episode was also written by Vince Gilligan). So it's not a total loss. But sometimes I wonder what could've been had Chris Carter and Fox stuck to the original plan to spin the franchise off into a series of films.

Edit: Sorry, everybody. I know this is a discussion about Archer and I'm replying to a comment that mentioned Supernatural by tying it to a third show, so I'm wildly off topic. But I couldn't help myself. I've been rewatching the series and I guess I had some thoughts about The X-Files that I needed to get out lol.

[–] joemo@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey no issues here, happy to learn about new things.

I never watched The X-Files but with winter coming up it's always nice to have some new (to me) shows to watch.

A spinoff would be the way to go if you want to extend a series. I'm not quite sure who you could do that for in Archer. I was thinking like Better Call Saul (a fourth show has entered the discussion). I think that was really well done but I'm not sure a similar thing could be done for Archer and be as successful.

I hope you enjoy your rewatch of The X-Files!

[–] ZeroCool@feddit.ch 2 points 1 year ago

I never watched The X-Files but with winter coming up it’s always nice to have some new (to me) shows to watch.

Well if you liked those early seasons of Supernatural you'll probably like The X-Files too. They both owe a lot to a short lived show from the '70s called Kolchak: The Night Stalker.

Kolchak: The Night Stalker inspired The X-Files in the '90s, which in turn inspired Supernatural and Fringe in the early 2000s. Three great shows were built on the back of one series that's been more or less forgotten.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dude natural flow of conversation. It's yet another show that dragged on too long.

I stopped watching Archer after the dream sequences cause I actually thought they could have a great ending where he never woke back up and he finally did all the right things and sacrifice himself. That did not happen and now they had lost important cast members.

Shows need to have an end and xfiles should be a great lesson for any other show that ends are bitter but can give meaning. But then someone has to figure out new ways to make money.

I will say this makes me think I should delete ofd my hard drive any season past 5 for x files now cause I never even get that high and it seems bad if this is how passionate you were about it.

[–] ZeroCool@feddit.ch 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I will say this makes me think I should delete ofd my hard drive any season past 5 for x files now cause I never even get that high and it seems bad if this is how passionate you were about it.

Lol nah, it's not like that, I think seasons 6 and 7 were okay. There's a lot of good episodes there! It's just the turning point where the series started having a lot of bad/forgettable episodes and the overall mythology went off the rails. Seasons 8 and 9 on the other hand do nothing for me and won't be missed if you're trying to free up a few GBs on your plex server or something.

The reboot seasons (10 and 11) from 2016 are mostly misses EXCEPT for two episodes written and directed by Darin Morgan. S10E03 "Mulder and Scully Meet the Were-Monster" and S11E04 "The Lost Art of Forehead Sweat". They're both comedic MoTW episodes and hold their own against the best comedic MoTW episodes from the original series. I highly recommend any X-Files fans who didn't give the revival a chance watch those two specific episodes. They're classic X-Files stories.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 2 points 1 year ago

Dude thank you for the fantastic write up on episode suggestions cause now I might look specifically for those late Morgan episodes.

[–] skyspydude1@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've not seen a single other episode of Supernatural, but my wife had me watch the Scooby Doo episode, and that alone was worth whatever else that came before or after it.

[–] GeekFTW@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

They definitely had some great goofy episodes.

[–] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Very good show.

Bad behaviour indeed, was very entertaining

[–] GeekFTW@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

One of my favourite shows to this day.

[–] LemmySoloHer@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was really getting into the new dynamic that Zara brought to the agency and didn't realize this was the last season. The "Chill Barry" episode (Season 14 Episode 4) is up there as one of my favorites too. I can't say that all seasons were on equal footing but I can earnestly say I thoroughly enjoyed each and every one and am glad it kept going this long.

At the end of an extremely fun show that made for a fantastic final legacy for Jessica Walter and George Coe, I have to say...uh...damnit I had something for this!

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

SEASON 14?!

I stopped at season five or six. I have SO MUCH TO WATCH

[–] AnarchoDakosaurus@toast.ooo 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jealous. You're gonna have a great lineup ready when the next pandemic drops. 🔥🔥🔥

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

I MUST START

[–] plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I might recommend stopping at season 10. Shit goes downhill fast after that 😓

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Noted! I’ll prolly still try, but if it’s like Heroes and you’re right, I’ll give up after a few eps.

[–] TheShadowKnows@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I got a hotdropped hardrive with Archer on it while launching jets aboard a carrier in the gulf in that same timeframe. Every season that aired while I was on deployment was a great treat in the heat. A friend of mine had a background in flash animation, (blast from the past) and he wanted to create a show with me in the same vein as archer and Sealab 2021, but about Navy pilots on a carrier. So I wrote a few scripts and he began on some scenes. We never made anything of it, because we didn't have the voice actors (neither of us were vocally inclined). Regardless Archers stellar writing and style got me through a long stretch of extensions in the middle east.

[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Huh, I thought they'd ended Archer years ago, but I also stopped watching years ago because too many other good shows (and I got turned off around the vice season).

[–] PRUSSIA_x86@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I would highly recommend rewatching Vice. I wasn't a fan when it first came out, but when I went back and rewatched it last year it becameone of my favorites. It's got a different style than the first few seasons, but it's great in its own right.

Same, didn't even know it was still going. Guess I'll have to re-watch at some point as well.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I fell off around then in part because of the shifts in style and my life, but yeah I’m considering giving the whole thing a rewatch. It was a great show at its worst

[–] GeekFTW@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

I definitely recommend it. The 3 coma seasons were low points (tho imo, they got better [season by season] as they went on), but the post-coma seasons, while not as good as S01-S04, are still really good and it's great to see how people have developed (or not) over those years. Only downside is not much Ray in the later seasons as Adam Reed clocked out mostly.

[–] kemsat@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Man, it’s too bad they wasted time on those coma episodes.

[–] Transcendant@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Brilliant show with a very distinctive art style. Have only watched each episode once so maybe now's the time for a rewatch from the start.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isn't this like the third or fourth time we've had the series finale?

[–] GeekFTW@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago
[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago

Small ass world, I used to live near NAS Whidbey. I wonder if I sold the writer a TV at some point.