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[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Hamas attack on civilians does not justify the Israeli attack on civilians and vice versa. There is little comfort for the victims of these attacks when you say it was an accident as part of war.

[–] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Feels more like revenge, than justice.

Poor Justice too, because we'll never know what crime that family committed to be sentenced to death. Except for being unlucky.

[–] Szymon@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

More engrained hatred and extremism is born every day these genocidal political behemoths are allowed to continue this endless course of action.

[–] Szymon@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Both groups seem to be OK devolving to the lowest common denominator.

I hope the citizens can find peace and love amongst the hateful and antiquated policies being fed into their heads from politicians and culture.

[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

Very hard to shake out the hatred once you have been brought up with it. People are fed with hatred from their infancy, they breathe hatred every day, they dream of hearted every night. France and Germany did this for two generations and it brought WW1. Germany and Japan did it again in the 20s and 30s and it brought WW2. Hamas, Likoud, Hezbollah and Republicans are feeding the same hatred to their members.

[–] stifle867@programming.dev 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm sure the ICC is keeping a close eye on what transpires during this war. Perhaps, it's too much to ask that the perpetrators of war crimes face the consequences of their decisions.

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've noticed though that these international bodies aren't really effective at handling these types of conflicts.

Was anything done about Azerbaijan invading Armenia? Nope.

League of Nations 2.0.

[–] stifle867@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

Exactly, a lot of the time it just feels like the flavour of the moment. Something is better than nothing however and whataboutism isn't a valid argument against, but can be used to point out hypocrisy.

[–] sik0fewl@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Azerbaijan didn't invade Armenia.

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sure they did. They invaded the part of Aremina that was literally inside Azerbaijan's borders, because Armenia seized it through conquest a few decades back after the USSR's collapse, and proceeded with a "population exchange".

Btw how did "population exchange" become popularized to use instead of ethnic cleansing? I genuinely don't know, but I've seen it alot lately.

[–] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean Azerbaijan have invaded Armenia proper in the past in skirmishes, but Armenia also invaded Azerbaijan and gained territory from it... They've also both committed genocide against each other, with the region in the news recently for Armenians being expelled/killed/leaving following Azerbaijan recapturing it only being majority Armenian due to the Azeris being expelled/killed/leaving in the 90s...

In reality it's a situation very similar to Israel/Palestine where regardless of how it started/what the "original" status of the land was, both sides are so overwhelmingly awful in their actions that there's no good guy, but of the four places mentioned only Palestine (Hamas really) has such a disdain for all people, even their own, that they stand out as worse than the others to me

[–] Bread@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.

[–] Xariphon@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

But keep telling yourselves that the genocidal occupying force with trillions in international military funds are the victims...

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The Israeli military fired the shot just a short distance from Nasser Abu Quta’s home in the southern Gaza Strip, a precautionary measure meant to allow people to evacuate before airstrikes.

Abu Quta, 57, thought he and his extended family would be safe some hundred meters (yards) away from the house that was alerted to the pending strike.

The airstrike in Rafah, a southern town on the border with Egypt, came as Israeli forces intensified their bombardment of targets in the Gaza Strip following a big, multi-front attack by Hamas militants Saturday that had killed over 700 people in Israel by Sunday night.

It also points to its adversaries’ practice of embedding militants in civilian areas throughout the impoverished coastal enclave of 2.3 million people, which is under a under a severe land, air and sea blockade by Israel and Egypt.

But human rights groups have previously said that Israel’s pattern of deadly attacks on residential homes display a disregard for the lives of Palestinian civilians and argued they may amount to war crimes.

Abu Quta was gripped by grief Sunday as he prepared for the rush of burials with his two dozen other surviving relatives, including wounded children and grandchildren.


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