Isreal has a blockade of goods into gaza, determining which goods go in and which do not. Israel determines the amount of food that can enter Gaza, and in leaked documents has been found saying they "need to put palestinians on a diet", reducing the amount of food entering an already poverty-stricken region.

Israel controls the electricity that flows into Gaza, and they regularly bomb the one power-plant that exists in Gaza.

All power to Palestinian liberation

[–] emmie@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Murdering civilians is never a proper answer to any historical injustice

[–] Chunk@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

The only proper way to solve any conflict is to get two teams of moral philosophers to discuss the issue until an agreement can be reached.

Anyway, we live in the real world, so yeah those civvies are gonna get it.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

ESH. Israel is committing what is described above (war crimes), and Palestine is retaliating by committing war crimes.

[–] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I agree. Israel should stop murdering children, protestors and aid workers. Decades ago.

[–] BunkerBusterKeaton@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

you're right dawg. isreal should stop murdering Palestinian civilians

[–] Pili@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No civilians were murdered, only soldiers and settlers and in self defense.

[–] ThePac@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

That baby that got its throat cut was holding an AK

[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

To be honest, they are right. I'm not condoning Hamas, but we could have had peace if the Israel conservative party was so hell bent in pushing an antisemitism against Palestine for so many years.

[–] finickydesert@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Still doubt that; Iran would not like to see Israel exist if it were up to them

[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

Oh for sure, they definitely have their own agendas and are taking advantage of the situation to try and advance it, but that doesn't make it any less true

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Israel/Palestine situation feels a lot like the situation between Native Americans and European settlers. You can't move into an already occupied place and try to dominate or displace the native inhabitants without expecting violent resistance. (And go figure the British are largely to blame for this too).

[–] BunkerBusterKeaton@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yes, and fwiw this is still very much ONGOING for native americans today

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Absolutely. And the Native Americans stopped killing the settlers.

[–] BunkerBusterKeaton@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

what's your point?

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With Israel and Palestine it is hard to say one side of the other is totally on the wrong and the other is totally in the right because they are killing each other. With native Americans, it is possible to say Native Americans are 100% in the right.

[–] BunkerBusterKeaton@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

what makes you say the palestine struggle is any different than that of natives or colonized people anywhere in the world (be it Haiti, North Africa, South Africa).

they are all a colonized people experiencing the same struggle of oppression, with no ability to move freely or exercise any sovereignty.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I was specifically talking about North American natives who haven't had any battles against their occupiers in more than a century. I would argue that continued fighting would have led to their extermination and by ceasing killing they were able to claw back some of their sovereignty and rights.

I understand that in an asymmetric war, the underdogs may need to act immorally to ensure their own survival. At the same time, I find it hard to stomach the intentional targeting of noncombatants.

[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Stop ignoring history Jews were living on that territory for thousands of years, unlike Europeans un America. You are conveniently ignoring facts which would immediately render your analogy completely bogus.

[–] Lurk99777@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And the native Americans weren't? You're the one ignoring history or intentionally misunderstanding the analogy.

[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Case A: population X came to a new land and killed almost all of population Y which lived there before.

Case B: population X came back to their homeland, got attacked by population Y, won the war, didn't not kill population Y, regularly tried to establish truce with population Y which continues to refuse the population X's right to exist.

[–] Lurk99777@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Their homeland? It wasn't their homeland for hundreds of years. The Zionist movement displaced people already living there who had nothing to do with a conflict that occurred hundreds of years prior. They didn't kill the Palestinians outright but they sure as hell did a good job of systematically stripping them of their rights to exist.

Their stated goal from the beginning was to invade and establish a religious state where people were already living similar to what Europeans did when they colonized the Americas.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

Heartbreaking, worst person you know, etc.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 7 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The governments of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Iran appeared to back Hamas in its escalating conflict with Israel on Saturday.

The Palestinian militant group launched a mass attack on Israeli forces and settlements, killing at least 100 people in Israel and about 200 in Gaza early Saturday.

While leaders in the U.S. and Europe quickly denounced the attack and gave support for Israel, the three Middle Eastern nations criticized the country over its treatment of Palestinians.

“The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is closely following the developments of the unprecedented situation between a number of Palestinian factions and the Israeli occupation forces, which has resulted in a high level of violence on several fronts there,” the country’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called the conflict a “war” in a public address early Saturday.

The U.S. has vowed to support Israel, with Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin saying the government will ensure the country “has what it needs to defend itself.”

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

When Palestinians protest peacefully, no one listens, nothing changes, and they get killed by Israeli forces.

When people in the US have tried to support Palestinians by boycotting Israeli products and divesting institutions of Israeli investments, lawmakers have passed laws banning such boycotts.

When Palestinians protest violently, they get bombed and killed at a much faster rate by Israeli forces.

Israel will almost certainly kill at least 10x as many civilians in their campaign than Hamas militants did; Israel's foreign minister has already said that Israel is going to end up killing civilians unintentionally ("unintentionally"), and that the world needs to cut them slack in advance. The US will continue to support Israel, both because evangelicals believe Jews need to control Jerusalem in order for Jesus to return ("return"), and because recognizing the apartheid nature of Israel would condemn our own treatment of Native Americans.

[–] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

I mean that might be true but terrorist-supporters like the Saudis aren't the ones who should be saying it.

[–] dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

Israel: well if we started it, we can finish it too.

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Haaretz is being v critical of Netanyahu and on top of the decades of occupation of Gaza and West Bank I'm inclined to agree. Escalating racial violence to protect his own career, bro might as well have sent the call to Hamas HQ himself.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-08/ty-article/.premium/netanyahus-recklessness-has-brought-war-upon-israel/0000018b-0b9f-dae9-adcb-abbf348c0000

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/2023-10-08/ty-article-opinion/netanyahu-bears-responsibility/0000018b-0b9d-d8fc-adff-6bfd1c880000

[–] S_204@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Saudi didn't say that. The other two are the ones who funded the attack so I'm not sure why anyone would listen to terrorists.

The Saudis are about to fuck the Palestinians as bad as the Israelis are, just diplomatically instead of with air raids.