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During a campaign trip to South Carolina, Donald Trump took some time to visit the gun store that sold weapons to the racist Jacksonville, Florida, mass shooter.

Trump visited Palmetto State Armory on Monday, where he admired a handgun engraved and decorated in his honor. He repeatedly said he wanted to buy a gun there—which would be a violation of federal law given his many indictments.

A lot of the media has focused on whether Trump actually purchased a gun and violated the law, but less attention has been paid to Trump’s decision to visit Palmetto State Armory, as opposed to any other gun store in South Carolina.

In late August, a white man opened fire in a Dollar General store in a predominantly Black Jacksonville neighborhood, killing three people, all of whom were Black. The shooter, who then killed himself, used a Glock handgun and an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle, at least one of which was painted with a swastika. Jacksonville Sheriff T.K. Waters said the shooter “hated Black people” and acted alone.

At least one of the guns came from Palmetto State Armory, a store in Summerville, South Carolina. The Jacksonville sheriff’s office shared photos of the firearms used in the attack on its Facebook page. One of the guns is clearly engraved with the Palmetto State Armory logo. The shooter had also drawn swastikas on the gun.

When the Jacksonville shooting happened, Trump did not issue any statement on the tragedy. But you could argue that this campaign stop is a kind of tacit statement. He put the spotlight on Palmetto State Armory, praised its inventory, and tried to offer it business.

Palmetto State Armory has openly embraced far-right ideology. In 2020, it began marketing its products using imagery and language associated with the “boogaloo,” slang for racist violence and even a call for full-on race war. It has also come to mean war to topple the government.

The Jacksonville shooter shouldn’t have been able to buy the guns in the first place. He was held in Florida state custody in 2017 for mental health issues, disqualifying him from owning a gun under a statute called the Baker Act.

With so many eyeballs on Trump, Palmetto State Armory would never have gotten away with selling him a gun. But as Philadephia Inquirer columnist Will Bunch pointed out, the store “could sell an AR-15 to a young, mentally troubled white supremacist.”

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[–] seathru@lemm.ee 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

but less attention has been paid to Trump’s decision to visit Palmetto State Armory, as opposed to any other gun store in South Carolina.

Palmetto State Armory is one of the largest online firearms manufacturer/retailer in the nation, much less South Carolina. And they produce all kinds of tacky crap with his name and face on it. So it doesn't surprise me he'd stop there. I'm betting it's more narcissism than a secret coded message.

[–] Kwakigra@beehaw.org 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think it's code either. It's more like Trump, the shooter, and PSA have the same preferences and American Conservatives see it as completely normal and fine. That to me is more disturbing.

[–] apis@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And yet, we know and he knows that a good slice of his base absolutely scrutinise his every move for coded messages & interpret those as instructions.

I don't know that he necessarily has strong preferences of his own, other than securing his position at the top, coupled with the knowledge that most people do not fall into unquestioning loyalty. He desperately needs intense support backed by the willingness to do violence, and having tried various other options finally found that in the tribalism of the right-wing. He's unlikely to know much about gun stores, or the details of far-right terror attacks, but it is a trivial matter to direct some lackey to identify a store to promote to embolden those who were already desirous of slaughtering their fellow Americans.

But it is of course disturbing that so many support everything that is going on.

[–] anzo@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is so saddening. I really hope Trump supporters change their way of seeing the world with such hate.

[–] infinitevalence@discuss.online 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

they wont until the leopard eats their face. They assume they are part of the in-group and will be shocked when they find out that they were never part of the in-group, Trump is the only member of the in-group.

[–] Davel23@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

Even post-face-eating, they will find a way to blame it on "tha libs" and will learn nothing.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

They won’t

[–] AndyLikesCandy@reddthat.com 9 points 1 year ago

Palmetto State Armory is a huge business. It's like saying Costco is the choice purveyor of moms raising mass shooters and that CVS is the choice purveyor of personal care products and racist Christmas decor to white nationalist mass shooters. I'm sure Amazon would support this sort of PsyOp.

[–] microphone900@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

He knows what ges doing and his base is eating it up.

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

A district Court ruled that restricting the right of a citizen to purchase firearms purely due to indictments is unconstitutional, so it is not illegal for him to purchase a gun purely because of that. It’s very strange that nearly every media outlet is getting this wrong.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/legal/americans-under-felony-indictment-have-right-buy-guns-judge-rules-2022-09-20/

[–] seathru@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As per the most recent 4473 (updated Aug 2023), which you must fill out to purchase a firearm for a dealer, still has the question:

Are you under indictment or information in any court for a felony, or any other crime for which the judge could imprison you for more than one year, or are you a current member of the military who has been charged with violation(s) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and whose charge(s) have been referred to a general court-martial?

And if the person answers "yes" on that question, it will not be accepted. So, presently the ATF either doesn't care, or is waiting on a supreme court ruling.

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

That makes sense, thanks for the clarification!

[–] CapgrasDelusion@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

District court decisions in Texas are not binding in South Carolina. They're not even binding in their own district.

https://www.law.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Matthew-Schafer-FederalLawFederalCourtsandBindingandPersuasiveAuthority.pdf

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Generally, district court opinions are not binding on other district courts or on courts of
appeals. The Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals has made it clear, “A single district court
decision . . . has little precedential effect[, and i]t is not binding on . . . other district judges in the
same district.” Other circuits agree

[–] spaceghoti@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like this comment misses how the article posted doesn't care so much about whether he broke the law and more about the white supremacist leanings of the gun store he made a point to visit and talk about buying a gun.

[–] seathru@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

While I agree. As someone who as been to South Carolina gun stores. PSA is probably one of the tamest.

[–] bookmeat@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They're not getting it wrong. It's illegal to SELL the guns if he's indicted. Reread those sources to see the distinction for yourself.

[–] seathru@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's also illegal to buy. To purchase a firearm from a FFL holder you must fill out ATF form 4473. In which you state that you are not under indictment (among other things). If you lie, that's perjury.

Edit: You also cannot purchase a firearm as an out of state resident. But you can pay for it, have it shipped to a FFL holder in your state, and then purchase it from them. But you still have to fill out the form there. So he probably did actually buy it, and now some Florida gun store owner is going to get to keep it.

[–] jarfil@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

he probably did actually buy it, and now some Florida gun store owner is going to get to keep it.

The headline could be: "Florida store owner holding Trump's dick"... /s²?

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

It may be, it’s also illegal for him to buy, though, based on people correcting me below.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's not only definitely the largest purveyor of arms in SC, but one of the largest in the country. Known particularly for budget friendly entry level guns. Betcha he didn't even know.

Btw, did he just buy "A PSA" or did he buy it from PSA? I bought "A Toyota" but I've never been to the factory. He either had to pass a NICs check at PSA or the Florida FLL he picked it up at, so blame the store all you want but all they see is the green "PASS," Florida is responsible for failing to report to NICs, this isn't on either gun store.

Btw "boogaloo" (dumb though it may be) isn't "racist," it refers specifically to "Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo," yes, but it is specifically about civil war in the context of firearm confiscation. I'm not telling you what opinion to have on that either way, but it doesn't hurt to look like you know what you're talking about.

[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“Boogaloo” has a very well-documented racist history, with the “Civil War 2” explicitly referring to a race war.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boogaloo_movement#History

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Honestly I don't care enough to verify those sources, so I suppose I stand corrected on that. I'm anti government but not white nationalist, so I guess I missed their memes not hanging out in their circles and only saw the anti government version (still to this day, fwiw).