I'm not sure the Trump offer of getting 50% of Ukraine's mineral wealth was real. The idea didn't originate from the Trump regime, but it was Ukraine who brought that up first. They're throwing that back into Ukraine's face. It seems like they ambushed Zelenski with this ridiculous deal, which was a brazen insult really, and which was immediately rejected (correctly). It might have been the intention to mock them and show them what the actual bill of the US's Ukraine support would look like, and how Ukraine would never actually be able to pay this debt.

Trump has called for elections, and that's because they want to get rid of Zelenski. And I'm sure that will happen. They're basically overthrowing Zelenski.

Gee I wonder who gave him that sort of leverage. Might have been a certain somebody giving them loans on top of loans and sabotaging peace talks for a war they knew was unwinnable.

Libs might deliberately ignore the plain good cop bad cop routine Dems and the gop have going with the world but the rest of us see through it.

No it isn't. They may think they have good reasons for not wanting peace talks (they don't), but definitely every big newspaper, almost all influential Western politicians and your average redditor were against peace talks this whole time. They relentlessly shouted down everyone who even tried to bring it up.

Of course the warmongers say they're for peace. Peace through superior firepower. Peace through victory. But that is disingenuous. That's called war.

And I'm no pacifist. I'm for having a war (a class war), but I'm not going around saying war is peace. That's fucked up.

These kinds of threads are full of armchair warmonger repeats "infinite arms and Ukrainian blood against the Russians", just repeating generic Russophobic rationalizations that justify infinite war. When the monstrosity of their views are pointed out, when they are reminded that Ukrainians are people and they want peace, out come the accusations and namecalling. Russian bot! Shill! Absurd and idiotic, but above all, playing with racism they can get away with, possibly liberals' favorite activity next to misogyny they can get away with and homophobia they can get away with. Like an image of Putin in drag or making our with Trump.

You can verify yourself that there are variations of some of these things in this very thread. It's just a game to these people, abstract rhetoric.

Wars end. They either end in a peace deal with give and take or in total capitulation. Ukraine isn't going to capitulate Russia, so you're just in favor of prolonging war at the expense of Ukrainians. This is consistent with liberals' general dehumanization of Eastern Europeans.

Either there's a peace deal, and the fighting stops, or there isn't (like there isn't right now) and some poor saps get (insert your rape metaphor here) by the Russian and Ukrainian armies.

In opposite world, peace kills people, and war doesn't. Maybe you're from there?