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A pitiless crackdown on on illegal immigration. A hardline approach to law and order. A purge of “gender ideology” and “wokeness” from the nation’s schools. Erosions of academic freedom, judicial independence and the free press. An alliance with Christian nationalism. An assault on democratic institutions.

The “electoral autocracy” that is Viktor Orbán’s Hungary has been long revered by Donald Trump and his “Make America Great Again” (Maga) movement. Now admiration is turning into emulation. In the early weeks of Trump’s second term as US president, analysts say, there are alarming signs that the Orbánisation of America has begun.

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[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Is Orban not, in turn, emulating putin? It's dictators all the way down

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Fascism goes all the way back down to Roman times. That's where the word originates anyhow. " Modern" Fascism has a different outward symbolism, fashion style if you will, but the end game is always the same. Bad for normal people, good for elitist. And propaganda is always involved.

[–] meowmeowbeanz@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

Democracy flatlined—time of death: circa 1980. Trump’s Orbán fanfic is bootleg authoritarianism, but both parties built the coffin. “Freedom” is just the brand name for auctioned infrastructure. Christian nationalism? A faith-based grift to sanctify oligarchic looting. Courts, media, schoolscompliant subsidiaries, not casualties.

The rot isn’t new—it’s generational decay dressed as crisis. “Erosion” absolves the architects; we’ve been drowning in neoliberal rot since they sold labor to Wall Street. MAGA’s the stench, not the wound. Voting? A ritual to pacify the herd. The machine runs on apathy and cheap outrage. Wake up—you’re the product.

[–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 hours ago

Cool, I've always wanted the US to be just like fucking Hungary

[–] TheCriticalMember@aussie.zone 17 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

The land of the free is fast becoming a human rights wasteland. I'm still reeling from the sheer number of people who seemingly had no idea it was going to be exactly like this.

I'm really hoping this will be the wake up call America needed to get its shit together, because if they don't, the oligarchs aren't going to stop there. They're coming for everything eventually.

[–] Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 hours ago

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer but no fucking way it's a wakeup call: the majority of Americans have no idea of the nauseating stuff that makes you feel like you're having a stroke in the middle of the twilight zone. The level of curated 100% individualized echo chambers everyone around you is exposed to is massively underestimated. Everyone is in an algorithmiclly designed, perpetually-improving news and info echosystem basically designed to keep them engaged and hooked... They DONT SEE WHAT YOU SEE... How do you wake them up if you don't share the same reality?

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago

I thought January 6th could be a come to Jesus moment for us, but seeing how quickly people absolved Trump and the rest of the Republican enablers has made it clear we’re fucked, in my opinion. Shit, he pardoned people that assaulted cops. The law only applies for some. Fucking depressing.

[–] dumbass@leminal.space 6 points 6 hours ago

The last line of the US national anthem has become the biggest joke now.

The land of the free and the home of the brave.

Neither of which America is at the moment.

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 24 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Oh it's gone now. Republicans never really liked democracy in the first place, and Epstein's bestie clearly stated that will never leave power. USA chose an authoritarian regime, they got it and you have to be pretty stupid to believe there will be another free election in the US before decades. The question now is, will there soon be a third world war with the US plays the role of fascist Germany, or will they have to struggle with a civil war before they can achieve their colonial ambitions. One way or another, millions will die in the coming years.

[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 18 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

I'm sorry, but I chafe at the notion that America was a democracy within the recent past and has ceased to be particularly in the last month.

America was a weak democracy throughout its entire history; it has become weaker in the last generation, but still affords more democratic power -- even under a fascist leader in the process of attempting to further dismantle it -- than most citizens in the world enjoy today. A lot of people literally risk their lives for the political power that we often take for granted.

We should absolutely be disturbed and angry about the loss of civic power. We should also avoid defeatism or doomerism, as there is still a lot of room for this to get better or worse depending on what each of us do. And, we should absolutely reject any framing that suggests that the oligarchy we had last year and every year of our lifetimes before that was some sacred ideal.

America neither was a true democracy previously, nor has it ceased to be one at all. Ergo: democracy has not died.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Only in a real democracy could an idiot like trump become president the first time round. Even the russians were surprised, they never expected Hillary could lose. Now is the Democratic party a democracy? Eh, no, it's a superdelegate oligarchy, with what happened to Bernie and got into this disastrous timeline.

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Fair points.

But I still believe there was a tiny bit of democracy left, up to the last election, otherwise democrats would not have accepted a peaceful transition. As a Canadian, it make no doubts in my mind that US will try to annex us in the coming months or years. I will be fighting against it and I hope we can build a resistance we some of the US citizens.

[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I don't mean to come at you in particular, but when I hear a phrase like "a tiny bit of democracy left", I can't help but think about the fact that there is so much unexercised democratic power available to citizens in the US, and the primary tool for disenfranchisement is just demoralizing and inactivating people.

Let's just set aside all the people who just do not pay attention to politics and focus on folks in this thread. Within a thread of people who follow and react to international news, how many know who their county representative is? How many people vote in the primaries that determine who gets to run for their city council?

I'm not blaming anyone. It's a ton of work. Until recently I didn't know these things. But if we're looking for a revival of democracy, we should all be working together to solidify power among the people who control our local cops and school boards and have authority over our state national guards and our state-level medical records, and regulate labor rights in our states and counties, and so on. This is really a key point at which we can either push fascism back to the fringes or let it actually end democracy.

[–] TingoTenga@lemmy.world 15 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The Heritage foundation has ties to Orbán.

"[a] formal agreement struck last year [2023] between a think tank funded by Orbán’s Fidesz Party, the Danube Institute, and The Heritage Foundation..."

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/01/trump-orban-embrace-00176832

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

Of course they do. Thanks for the info.

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 19 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

Hope world mods let me keep this post. It is imo worldnews at this point, unfortunately. We are literally non- stop being bombarded with his shit, every damn day on the other side of the Atlantic ( added: actually, the fallout is worldwide).

[–] WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social 4 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I’m the same side of the Atlantic as you. Him doing this in the USA is one thing, it being so accepted is a totally different thing.

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

it being so accepted is a totally different thing.

Only US citizens should change their President. I hope they succeed to stop his nonsensical violence and or Government.

Personally, I'm sure that I'm as much accepting of his policies as I am of Orban's, i. e. not acceptable.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 3 points 9 hours ago

Only US citizens should change their President.

They did