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[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Didn’t they do this during the first trump presidency? They’ll flip as soon as a Dem gets in office and “Democracy is saved.”

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 46 minutes ago

they're not very smart

[–] ChairmanSpongebob@hexbear.net 16 points 2 hours ago

Pathetic. Go down with the ship you fuckin racists

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

$5 says that this is a ploy to get trump to soften his trade ware rhetoric with the eu; once (and if) democrats retake control, they'll switch back since sinophobia is virtue in the west.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The question is whether the EU can actually survive the next four years. My bet would be that there's not a chance in hell of Trump softening his policy because he viscerally hates EU on a personal level. These people openly made an enemy out of him, and he's a very petty man.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

france and germany have a better chance at keeping their fascists out of their government than the united states; if they manage to keep that firewall up and keep importing russian energy through back doors, i can see them surviving.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Seems like both France and Germany are taking a hard right actually, with RN and AfD being the most popular parties respectively. They do both want to restore relations with Russia however, and that would be a path for France and Germany to survive. However, I expect that the EU centre is going to collapse, and without either France or Germany the EU is as good as dead anyways.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

the RN and the AfD were the fascists i was alluding to and i'm drawing hope from episodes like the french left & liberal voters unifying against the RN to win their last election and the german conservatives & protesters alike rejecting their leadership's intriguing with the AfD.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Didn't the French liberals immediately stab the left in the back and side with the right?

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 1 points 33 minutes ago* (last edited 31 minutes ago)

The french liberals (in this case you are probably refering to Macron) didn`t really stab the left in the back since they never really side with them in the first place.

Macron knew the left coalition supposed victory was irrelevant and it can`t survive facing political impass

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

macron did and he's a centrist.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Are centrists not liberal?

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

I don't know how centrist translates since I'm an American and American liberalism is Western European center-right.

Fwiw: it seems so or at least a LOT of overlap.

[–] MisterD@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks to trump, the US will cease to be the reserve currency in 10 years of less. China will LOVE to control the world's reserve currency.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago

Highly unlikely that China would have any desire for the yuan to become a reserve currency since they want to be able to control its value on the global market. What's far more likely is that we'll see a BRICS backed currency along the lines of Bancor that Keynes advocated for emerge.