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I've noticed both medical dramas and police dramas rely heavily on Californian legal practice, because Hollywood. For example, I just watched the episode of Doc (it's literally just called Doc) where a doctor saved someone on the "DNR list" and almost got suspended, and so here I was thinking "the patient's perspective would never fly in my environment". Of course, though, the US (and definitely California) are not the whole world. So I was wondering, what's an episode of a medical/police drama you could think of where, in your legal environment, the characters would seem crazy for diving into the topic of how they did?

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Not directly related to the question, but Brazilian medical drama is nurses fighting to keep shit up and running on hospitals while medics clock in then head off to their particular clinics.

Brazil also still has separate military and civil polices, the former doing the legwork and shooting people, the latter doing actual investigations, so any USA-like police drama just wouldn't work here.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 2 points 2 hours ago

Makes me wonder when someone is going to make a military drama.

[–] hungprocess@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago

Doctor Mike is a real doctor with a youtube channel. He reviews multiple episodes of House and they're hilarious. It's like every time House has some epiphany and orders some new radical treatment he winds up yelling "WHY!?" into the ether.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I guess it wouldn't really change at all since I am in California. I'll still have free healthcare (that isn't very good) from the state, and all the doctors are super sexy because that's actually how it is here. Everyone thinks Hollywood is bullshit; they've just never been to California. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 0 points 10 hours ago

Wasn't The Resident in Georgia?

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Basically none of the police drama coming out of Hollywood would hold up in the real world. Not even in California.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 0 points 11 hours ago

They do draw heavily upon references to their norms though.

[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

a doctor saved someone on the "DNR list" and almost got suspended, and so here I was thinking "the patient's perspective would never fly in my environment".

Assuming you mean a Do Not Resuscitate order; not list
Curious what you mean by it not flying in your environment.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee -1 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

The conceptualization behind them isn't treated everywhere equally. I'm not as traditionally-minded as the people around me, but I live somewhere that's far more traditional than progressive California. Now maybe I'm not updated on the norms (and to be fair, I'm still new here), but I think I remember reading it's viewed as an omen of a shortage of therapy here, in the same way as its more self-destructive alternatives.

[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It seems like there’s some disconnect here on what a DNR order is. I’m not an expert but my understanding is it’s a legal statement the patient made prior to becoming a patient defining what lengths should or shouldn’t be taking to keep them alive.

So I don’t see what that has to do with California being progressive.

When you say “omen of a shortage of therapy” it sounds like you’re maybe talking about being an organ donor?

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee -3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

...as opposed to self-harm?

Some people consider not wanting to be alive to be not wanting to be alive. Cut and dry. They lump all the implications together, all the dilemmas and all the complexities that arise with the life issue. This is often associated with the law-based concepts of the Good Samaritan and the "duty to protect". They, of course, are not mind readers and can't look into the individual's psyche and they resort to not taking chances. Was the person of sound mind? Were they under duress? Where do they stand between circumstantial acceptance and circumstantial yearning? Things even such as those they won't end up guessing. Some are too afraid of what such a power can turn into, via the slippery slope trope.

[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The more clarification I ask for the less clarity I’m getting which is kinda disappointing because I think the original question was possibly very interesting…

😞

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 0 points 5 hours ago

You say that like "some people consider not wanting to be alive to be not wanting to be alive" might not immediately establish "alright, this society quite clearly thinks refusal of life support is a passive form of suicide". That's just how it is here, whether I like it or not.

[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Are you saying that a DNR would be viewed as the same as euthanasia? Because those are very different things legally and a DNR is a very standard document in most developed countries.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Different in some places but not everywhere. I'm not saying this as a position, just an observation. My viewpoint would be far more developed than even that.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Well what is your viewpoint? After multiple comments I still can't piece it together.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 31 minutes ago

Because I wasn't mentioning my own viewpoint, I was mentioning how the law might differ.

I did explain it explicitly, so I think the best way to explain it then is with an analogy/visualization.

Imagine an umbrella. The umbrella is labelled "issues of self-harm". Underneath the umbrella are all the things which can amount to or turn into it.

On the very edge underneath it is the issue of DNR. Where you live, the umbrella is nudged away from it. Where I live, the umbrella would just pass over it.

My own stance, which I have not mentioned until right now, is that, supposing someone has asked all the questions to themselves relating to their life, they should consult whoever has authority over the DNR or whatever it is.

The fact the very same important questions can be asked in the first place regarding both aspects of this issue (which you give the impression don't come off as related) shows they are related in the ways alluded to. The episode of Doc even explored this very thing. Hence I said that would not work out where I live. Hence I was asking, what kinds of legal culture shock have you picked up on in a TV show.