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[–] millie@beehaw.org 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This framing isn't particularly helpful for solidarity.

The left relies on coalitions. Criticizing the stewards of those coalitions because they fail to address the needs of the people they rely on for votes is helpful and constructive. Just reducing all left-wing voters to a pair of stereotypes and trying to push one of those stereotypes away from the other? Not helpful.

We need nuanced dialogue and mutual aid. It's a matter of survival. This isn't that.

[–] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

They are imperial murderers and managers of corporate oligarchy. The solidarity we form is against them. They are not left-wing at all, they are hard right wing reactionaries in a nation where the overton window has been shifted and the population is so brainwashed that they can even entertain that they are left-wing. They are barely left of most right wing politicians in the world. As a prosecutor, Kamala Harris has condemned thousands of innocent people to hard labor in slave camps and is an agent of the carceral state. Anyone in the US government is the enemy of free people in the US and around the world.

[–] millie@beehaw.org 0 points 2 days ago

Do you think it's realistic to take back any branch of government from like, actual whole ass conservatives by dividing the only coalition we have?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

"You can't trust those leftists because they're just tankies"

The Tankie they're referring to:

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This makes me sad, I thought we mostly agreed that what FDR did is a good way forward.

[–] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 0 points 2 days ago (3 children)

All he did was save capitalism which inevitably led to what the US has today. There is no future for humanity with oligarchs like him and his family despite their supposed good intentions

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[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Both are good, one is better

[–] vfreire85@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

should i mention that under one of them many coups around the world were orchestrated? no, dems are no better than gops.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

dems are no better than gops

Unless you're gay, lesbian, trans, atheist, Muslim, Jewish, Satanist, black, brown, female, an immigrant, or really anything other than a straight white Christian man.

What an incredibly privileged take. Try having some empathy for other people sometime.

[–] vfreire85@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago

of course. let's have some respect for the american minorities while minorities abroad can be tortured in some basement in a third world shithole while being watched over by a cia agent.

and i get to be called privileged by some oversized gringo. oh the imperialist exceptionalism.

[–] Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 days ago

Well, except you are wrong. Biden reversed Trump’s decision to pull out of Somalia. You are just being fed right wing propaganda to make one of the groups seem better than the other.

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Always relative to the point of view, for an far right wing everybody else is an leftist/communist.

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Who mean those on the right? They don't even self identify as leftists, why should some of their followers say that?

[–] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 0 points 2 days ago

Yeah a better title would have been "I'm left wing" or something but I hate the English language and refuse to respect it.

[–] Lila_Uraraka@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Both can be correct, it's not a hard black and white split

[–] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The leftist revolutionary heroes are resisting the people on the right, it is a hard split. The people on the right are shepherds of the US carceral state and imperial murderers

Last time I checked, that's not how that works, everyone has a wide range of ideals and views. Not 1 or 2, there can be 1 1/2, 1 1/3, 1 1/10000, whatever

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Until we get ranked choice voting, you still need to support them though.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ranked Choice Voting is both too ineffective to make any change, and too difficult to get in the first place. It's the perfect endless carrot on a string, the eternal "just one more lane and traffic will be gone."

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Even if that's so, you'd still need to vote for the people on the right, because voting third party in first past the post is objectively just terrible for everyone with similar goals.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The people on the right work with the Republicans. They aren't resistance. Revolution is a necessity.

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