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You know you fucked up when you made it so people hear nazi car and think of your company and not the car company founded by the nazi government

He probably needs all the H1B visas for his remote taxi drivers. I doubt the latency would be good enough otherwise. And it was clear in the 'demo' the pilot was just standing right there controlling it.

I can barely see how they were so popular up to now anyway. I, too, thought they were cool like 10 years ago, when they were the only real electric car (Leaf and I-Miev don't count and we didn't get the Bolt or Volt here, only Opel Ampera and Ampera-E, which are ultra rare). Then a couple of years later, I realized some things, in this order: 1) Tesla interiors are THE BLANDEST THING EVER, 2) Elon Musk's been seeming increasingly weird starting with the cave diving incident, 3) Tesla quality control is absolute shite

Tesla changed the world by proving you CAN have good range and performance in an EV, but now they're way past their prime. The Germans, Swedes, Koreans and now I believe EVEN THE CHINESE make better EVs. I have no experience with non-Tesla American EVs to comment on those, but I wouldn't be surprised if they surpass Tesla in overall quality of vehicle in a few years too.

The problem is that it has been a bubble for most of its public trading existence. It was highly overvalued 10 years ago, the stock price has never made sense, so who knows when it will finally correct.

Bill Gates is famously shorting TSLA (1)

Net profits $2.3B. "Poor financial results". How does one reconcile these two things?

That's 2.3B USD on a 1.29T USD valuation, or 0.17%.

Valuations should be reflective of expected future profits. Multiples of ×20 yearly profit are possible for risky (tech or biotech usually) companies, with large potential profit. But the ratio is ridiculously off the charts for tesla. If it does not improve, it will have turned out to have been a very wastefull use of capital.

The issue is the price to earnings ratio of the Tesla stock which is almost 200:1.

The level of profit is not bad for a normally price company but Telsa needs to have profits grow exponentially to justify their stock price.

It used to be double that, so I can see why people see it as a bad thing. But I also don’t think 7.1B profits qualifies as “poor financial results”, even if it used to be higher.

Good thing musky got that big compensation package shoved through, eh?

I believed him at first, why wouldn't I? Self driving was starting to take shape, the demos looked good, I assumed what he was saying was legitimate.

I remember starting to question things around the time of the Tesla Semi reveal. It didn't make sense to me that you'd use heavy, short range batteries in an industry that runs by driving as far as possible, for as cheap as possible, hauling as much as possible. There were just too many compromises and he didn't give any details other than acceleration (who cares in trucking).

After that I started looking into him more and realized his bullshit spread through everything he touched. I honestly think most people are simply not paying attention to him, they just read headlines and since headlines never call him out and only amp up the crazy ambitious things he says, people believe he's a genius.

That seems to be slowly changing as he opens his stupid mouth about politics, but he's pivoting to a new audience now.

tessla plans to launch it's autonomous ride hailing service

Autonomous driving, like he's promised he already had every year for over a decade now.

Who does anyone believe this scammer? He is a con man, always had been, and I'm just amazed at the enormous amount of idiots believing his shit

Value investing is basically dead, isn't it?

You're looking at a too short time frame. The famous tulip bubble lasted for a decade, too.

I wondered that a while ago when Tesla was worth more than many other car makers combined while producing far less vehicles than any single one of them. And I remember people telling me about projections and expectations and that it’s only a matter of time until everyone drives a Tesla basically. Sounded like mass hysteria to me back then because the rest of the world won’t just sit there quietly and let Tesla have a monopoly. People bought shares because they rose rapidly in value, causing even more people to buy shares. It’s a pyramid scheme like so many things these days and people have no problem with it apparently. They love gambling and playing lottery. Value investing is too boring for them.

It's gambling

The investors are banking on Elon looting the Govt coffers into Tesla. I can’t deny the chances based on the other crap we are seeing.

They are emissions credits. Every company receives some amount of "CO2 emission credits" from the government. These allow you to emit a certain amount of carbon dioxide. If you don't emit all the CO2 that your credits allow, you can sell those credits to other companies that need more than the government gives them.

The idea is to put a total limit on the amount of emissions in the country, while letting the market figure out where it makes most sense economically to invest in emission reduction.

Tesla makes only EV cars and so it doesn't need all the credits a typical gasoline car company would receive. So they sell them.

Yes you are understanding that correctly. For producing EVs, they get credits from the federal government. I don't know the exchange rate -- e.g., how many EVs per credit.

Then, Tesla turns around and sells these credits to buyers, usually other companies. Companies buy these credits from Tesla to comply with regulations requiring certain environmental outcomes, and credits count towards these outcomes.

In theory this type of program incentivizes and rewards companies who invest in the technology(is) tied to these credits, in this case EVs. In practice it's a way for other companies to comply with renewables regulations without actually doing anything to meaningfully reduce their impact and footprint (other than buying credits)

You are. Without the EV credits, Tesla would have folded years ago.