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[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 212 points 1 month ago (2 children)

honestly - while a Mac is certainly less painful to use than winshit, putting rubbish files recursively into each(!!) accessed folder, on all thumbdrives ever inserted, that's something Jobs deserves to burn in hell for.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 48 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

You'd want that, but a lot of programs do that, both in Windows and Linux.

e.g. The .directory files with the [Desktop Entry] spec by freedesktop.org
Dolphin has the option to enable/disable the feature

[–] lengau@midwest.social 47 points 1 month ago (1 children)

FWIW Dolphin only does it if the filesystem doesn't provide a way to add that metadata directly to the directory and you change the view configuration for that directory away from your standard configuration. Which is how the standard describes to do it. (Some file managers incorrectly add those .directory files to every directory you visit.)

A mac will add a .DS_Store file to any directory just by breathing on it.

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[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

today I learned - using Linux at home since 2005ish and I have never had an auto-file generated on any USB attached drives of mine...

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[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I am not familiar with MacOS, but that seems like a nightmare. What is the purpose of these files?

[–] vvv@programming.dev 56 points 1 month ago (2 children)

the macos file browser, Finder, lets you set a background for a folder, move file icons around to arbitrary positions, other shenanigans. in order for this to work across systems on removable storage media and network mounts, they have this.

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[–] dwemthy@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Iirc they're indexes for the system wide search feature, Spotlight

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Is there a valid reason not to store that [[anywhere else]], ideally in Spotlight's data?

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[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 136 points 1 month ago (1 children)

See also: Let's roll our own .zip implementation that only Mac can reliably read for....reasons

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 77 points 1 month ago (1 children)

every time i get a zip file from a mac user it has a folder with random junk in it. what's up with that? i can open the files without it so clearly those files are unnecessary

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 77 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Metadata that's a holdover from the 1980s MacOS behavior. Hilariously, today, NTFS supports that metadata better than Apple's own filesystems of today. They can hide it in Alternate Data Streams.

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[–] Lazycog@sopuli.xyz 108 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Hmm.. Smells like a windows user aswell.. Look at that:

~~.desktop~~ desktop.ini

Edit: fixed the filename

[–] i_dont_want_to@lemmy.blahaj.zone 133 points 1 month ago (3 children)
[–] frisbeedude@feddit.org 15 points 1 month ago

ehthumbs_vista.db

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[–] Wolfizen@pawb.social 87 points 1 month ago

System Volume Information

[–] breakingcups@lemmy.world 53 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Lazycog@sopuli.xyz 20 points 1 month ago

Ah shit I've forgotten the ancient tablets, ill fix that thank you!

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I've caught the whiff of some Linux too...

lost+found

[–] Hupf@feddit.org 100 points 1 month ago
[–] FQQD@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 82 points 1 month ago (4 children)

you should do this with every one of these cases. btw, where does .Trash-1000 actually come from?

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 87 points 1 month ago

Freedesktop.org’s trash specification. It’s where files moved to trash go before being deleted when it’s emptied. The 1000 is the user id.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 43 points 1 month ago

.Trash-999 was already taken by a metal band.

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I had a long and frustrating conflict with this, on this post.

As @d_k_bo@feddit.org (An dem Punkt könnten wir auch einfach Deutsch labern) noted, it's a freedesktop.org specification.

I still stand the point that it's not very thought through (a hidden dir? Why?), and that blindly implementing it is annoying. It shouldn't be a universal standard for all systems, as it's only relevant if you use a file manager which can then use that dir as Trash dir - which I don't. That could be tested by only allowing filemanagers to create the dir, and if it doesn't exist, discard the data. That's probably how some programs work, as only Prismlauncher has created the dir.

Workaround: ln -s .Trash-1000 /dev/null

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[–] moseschrute@lemmy.world 78 points 1 month ago (7 children)

…and whoever decided a file system should be case insensitive by default, I hate you.

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago (5 children)

What's the use case for case sensitive file names

[–] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 68 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (26 children)

Well an uppercase ASCII char is a different char than its lowercase counterpart. I would argue that not differentiating between them is an arbitrary rule that doesn't make any sense, and in many cases, is more computationally difficult as it involves more comparisons and string manipulations (converting everything to lower case).

And the result is that you ultimately get files with visually distinct names, that aren't actually treated as distinct, and so there is a disconnect from how we process information and how the computer is doing it.

'A' != 'a', they are just as unequal as 'a' and 'b'

Edit: I would say the use case is exactly the same as programming case sensitivity, characters have meaning and capitalizing them has intent. Casing strategies are immensely prevalent in programming and carry a lot of weight for identifying programmers' intent (properties vs backing fields as an example) similar intent can be shown with file names.

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[–] Speiser0@feddit.org 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Think the other way around: What's the use case for case insensitive file names? Does it justify the effort and complexity for the filesystem and the programs to know the difference between lower and upper space chars?

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

What’s the use case for case insensitive file names?

Human comprehension.

Readme, readme, README, and ReadMe are not meaningfully different to the average user.

And for dorks like us - oh my god, tab completion, you know I mean Documents, just take the fucking d!

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[–] polle@feddit.org 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The moment when you try to rename a folder in windows from Hello to hello and it doesn't work.

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[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 63 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

I would also like a word with “bonjour” process while we’re at it.

Thought it was a virus when I first discovered it.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 39 points 1 month ago (4 children)

"Bonjour, i'm here to fuck shit up"

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[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago
[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Would you have felt differently if it was called Rendezvous?

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Probably not. I know better then to trust the french /s

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Idk what all it does and doesn't do, but installing it in Windows lets you find your Raspberry Pi by its ".local" hostname. I know it was originally for printers or something.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 14 points 1 month ago

It's for local service discovery. Those services may be printers on your network, or another computer sharing music on iTunes (which is why as a Windows user you'd usually get Bonjour when installing iTunes). Or maybe it's your Raspberry Pi.

It feels iffy because it comes bundled with other software without you being asked (IIRC) and it autoruns on startup. And I mean 20 years ago when iPods were a thing and people had to use iTunes on Windows, a couple dozen megabytes of RAM really mattered too. Hell I had 512 MB back when I had an iPod (and therefore iTunes)

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[–] burgermeister@lemm.ee 62 points 1 month ago

Every fucking folder in the file share has one of these

[–] Natanael@lemmy.zip 61 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I saw somebody with Nintendo .DS_store as a username

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[–] Cargon@lemmy.ml 50 points 1 month ago

Found one of these in the firmware zip file of my soundbar today.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 1 month ago (3 children)

defaults write com.apple.desktopservices DSDontWriteNetworkStores -bool TRUE

Helps a bit.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 month ago

__MACOSX folders hither and yon.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 29 points 1 month ago (20 children)

Just gitignore that. Same for dot idea and whatever vscode adds, if anything

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ya, but that .idea is not inserted in eleven thousand sub folders.

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[–] FatTony@lemm.ee 25 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I am not exactly a programmer. What is the .DS_Store file for?

[–] jwt@programming.dev 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 month ago

Kind of a mac's version of desktop.ini. Remembers layouts and other metadata about a folder.

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[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

As much as they love to sue people, I don't understand why Nintendo doesn't go after Apple for trademark infringement, so that they're forced to finally come up with a better method of storing folder attributes.

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