Asklemmy

I blame them completely. Voters are not children. You're responsible for your own actions.

Fuck anyone who actually voted for trump. Period. Edit: it’s on them to try to redeem themselves

Trump has been trash since the 1980s. He was a garbage president in 2016. If you "fell for it" in 2020 and/or 2024, you're dumber than dirt.

Some of the folk who swallowed the propaganda and want to erase folk like me from the planet may have been conned, but however they got there, their goal is still to hurt other people.

A lot.

I know there's a proportion that were simply ignorant and tuned out of politics... but most Trump voters did so over the very loud objections of trans relatives or while openly embracing the nativism.

Lastly, I think that Harris did a terrible job advocating for her election and she owns a fair portion of the blame as well.

Trump wasn't an unknown this time. He attempted to subvert our election process and he's a convicted rapist. He openly embraced corruption during his last term and is already shilling crypto bullshit.

Trump voters are terrible selfish people - end of story.

100%

It's not like we can even blame it on the fire hose of misinformation the Trump campaign will never be able to stop themselves from shitting out

Trump has already been president. He failed so hard that he lost by over 7 million votes after just 4 years and 2 impeachments while in office.

Then he was found liable for rape and had to pay millions, then he was convicted on 34 felony counts of fraud, and still he was still on the hook for federal indictments for his attempt to overthrow the government in 2020 in which not only did many participants serve prison time for, some died in the process of it. Many of Trump's own officers were also convicted. Giuliani has been sued into bankruptcy and has been disbarred for what Trump asked him to do.

Yeah. That seems like a good idea to give that guy power again. /s

Trump objectively represents the worst that America has to offer to itself and the world.

He lied his ass off to get his first term, no one learned from that.

I genuinely felt sorry for his victims that first time.

Then he lied his ass off for a 2nd term.

This time, I feel like people deserve what they get this time.

To me, they're just as culpable as Trump this time. Every horrible thing that happens this time have zero hesitation to remind people that they voted for it.

He said he was a racist Nazi who wanted to be a dictator. Yeah i blame the people who voted for him.

Whether they acted out of malice or ignorance, they bear the same moral culpability for the consequences of their vote. They have a social responsibility to ensure they are informed and vote accordingly; everyone should be able to spot fascism and authoritarianism when they see it.

Trump voters knowingly voted for a rapist. That’s not hyperbole. It’s a matter of public record now. I think that’s all that needs to be said.

They ate the propaganda. I can't really say its their fault, propaganda is why they did what they did, the fault lies with those who promoted far-right propaganda.

If we're talking the average working class voter, I hold a great amount of sympathy for them. I really do understand where they're coming from.

The Democrats are corrupt as hell and aren't doing a damn thing for the American people. Pre-Trump Republicans are corrupt as hell and aren't doing a damn thing for the American people. The country is legitimately falling apart and there's no one to turn to.

Here comes this guy out of nowhere who's never been in politics and thus not beholden to their corrupt schemes. He's promising to tear down the whole damn system that isn't working for the average American. He recognizes and acknowledges the plight of working class America. He's claiming that it needs to break completely before it can be repaired.

This is the reasoning behind my little brother supporting Trump. He's so desperate for real change that he's willing to overlook a lot of Trump's bad behaviors. To my brother, Trump is a useful wrecking ball, a bulldozer coming to forcefully wipe away everything wrong with politics.

Of course, Trump has no real intentions of fixing anything. He's just there to loot the government and shield himself from the law. All of the right wing supporters, politicians, preachers, and business execs are just stepping stones.

How much do you blame Germans? As in the ones from 1940s?

We might not have started killing people yet but the signs are here, for anyone who cares to know their history. We had a Nazi salute at the inauguration for Christ sake.

Yeah. It's shocking that your friends and neighbors are party to this. It was to many Germans too.

There is literally no difference between a Trump supporter/voter and a Nazi

As a non-USian viewing all this from the outside, I'd say blaming the people at the bottom for what the largest gaslighting machine in the history of human civilization has managed to achieve is absolutely masochistic.

Your anti-democratic political establishment is to blame for this.

I blame capitalism for this one. Misinformation and lobbying is very profitable. Using prior knowledge of what laws are coming into effect is also very profitable. Retiring and becoming a lobbyists is also.

In the US hard facts have become debatable and there's a shitty system that massively benefits two political parties.

I don't necessarily blame the people since the system is rigged against people's interest. They get mad and vote anti-establishment which is still very much the establishment.

I'm pretty torn on this to be honest.

On the one hand, propaganda is a hell of a drug especially if you're already sympathetic to the ideas of one party or another. You want to be able to agree with them or you're left realizing you have no options at all. It's a similar thing to those on the left being "forced" to support Democrats even if they basically loath the current party. If not for them then they have absolutely nothing, no hope of any representation at all.

On the other hand, how many times can you be confronted with outrageous situations and such a large, essentially global, consensus that "your team" is just straight up wrong before you realize you're supporting actual bad people? You're making a choice to support people doing actual bad things, but again, based on the propaganda you might never believe bad things are actually bad, or are even really happening.

I've had many many arguments with my father and I've come to realize he absolutely will not accept information that is not what he already wanted to hear. Fox is good when it says "Trump good", fox is bad when they say "Trump did something wrong." I pleaded with him to at the very least stop watching the fox primetime peanut gallery where they lie with impunity, that he would be better served watching Fox journalists like (at the time) Shepard Smith. His response was "Smith is too opinionated, I prefer Hannity." ... Sean Fucking Hannity, the guy who's show is literally an opinion show. He just wants confirmation bias. When a Republican committee release a document it's gospel, when a Democrat lead committee release something it's fake news lies.

I blame them collectively for supporting fascists, but I can't really blame an individual human for being a stubborn ignorant human. It's our nature to be thick headed. Some way more than others.

"No one is the villain of their own story." My stubborness is that I choose to believe this quote is true. 99% of people believe they're doing the right thing, it's why we even have the cliche of "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."

You highlight an important point: the fascists are fascists because their primitive lizard brain responds to hear and insecurity with tribalism.

And we have the same lizard brain.

Point being: fascists aren't stupid or inferior, and we need to constantly be on guard to reject the same instincts in ourselves.

Having said that: they are adults, and they should be held responsible for their own adult decisions.

Everyone had a least 9 years to figure out who Trump is. I'd be more lenient if it was a matter of months. But it was almost a decade since he first ran.

I know there are a lot of factors working against people (capitalism, propaganda, groupthink) but after all that time, I think they should own their decision.

So yes, I blame them. The man talked about injecting bleach for chist's sakes. And that was all over the news while many people were home and could pay attention if they wanted to.

I blame capitalism. It's profitable to keep Americans stupid.

A lot.

The information was not hidden, he wasn't even trying to hide it. It's not like you had to read between the lines. Anyone who willingly voted for him is on my shit-list. I understand not liking Biden or Kamala, but I will never understand looking between them and Trump and thinking that, in any way, he would be the better alternative in any capacity. He is a facist, and even worse, he's a dumb one. He's easily entertained and influenced. He doesn't care about anyone that isn't him (or that he doesn't want to fuck). He's not president because he cares, he's president because he can. I think anyone who voted for him was incredibly selfish, minimum. "He's going to lower groceries." Even if he did, is that worth it the oligarchy? Is it worth losing rights? Is it worth Palestine? Is it worth everything else increasing? Is it worth making way for a Dictator? Is it worth making a home for facists? Is it worth watching families be ripped apart?

I would say no, but many of my countrymen disagreed.

Who else should we blame? Trump won the popular vote, so it was those who voted for him who caused this. Whether they’re dumb as shit or not doesn’t change that.

I blame capitalism, the underfunded education, and the well-oiled propaganda machine of the tech industry

Firstly the obligatory disclaimer that I'm not American, just someone that has been watching this unfold on the same world wide web that we all use.

Maybe I'm too radical but I would say fully. Whether they want a white christian nationalist country or just wanted cheaper eggs. Because that first thing was never a hidden objective, it was clear from the start. We had people who find secret illuminati pizza messages on bathroom walls take one look at Project 2025, an actual real conspiracy and go "doesn't look like anything to me".

So whether they're true right wingers, conspiracy theorists, or people that closed their eyes and ears and hearts while convincing themselves that this was all about cheaper groceries; I'd say they're all equally to blame.

Never forgive, never forget.

I am considering whether my mother and I will have a relationship going forward. It was already strained by the last orange term. I instituted a no-politics rule to save our relationship.

She knows I've been planning to move to NZ because he won again. I mentioned that I'm feeling enormous conflict about leaving my partner (can't follow due to refugee status and lack of citizenship) and she told me she's optimistic about the future and we live in the "greatest country on earth." This was on inauguration day and I fucking lost it.

Emails that I have sent to her since:

Subj: Trump orders US withdrawal from the World Health Organization - Ars Technica

You shouldn’t vote and your offspring have to live with the consequences of your vote.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/01/trump-orders-us-withdrawal-from-the-world-health-organization/

Subj: He pardoned the Jan 6 rioters

You contributed to violent criminals (some convicted of seditious conspiracy) walking free. You did this.

Subj: You voted to humiliate my friends

https://www.notus.org/whitehouse/trump-gender-sex-order-passports

Subj: Trump Rescinds Biden Order Aimed at Lowering Prescription Drug Prices

You cause harm to innocent people with your vote.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/trump-drug-prices

Honestly, I've concluded that she's a bad person for voting for him. I still love her. She raised me and protected me from an abusive father (as best she could). But this fucking sucks and she sucks for helping to make it happen. There's a real possibility that I will end my relationship with her because of this. And that sucks, but there has to be a line.

On one hand, his entire ideology and what he said he wants to do was extremely hateful and even someone who didn't think further into it should have seen that. They voted for him for at least that, deporting immigrants and all that. On the other hand, the rise of fascism is a sytemic issue caused by capitalism. It happens every time the economy isn't doing well, that's why people suddenly started voting for the NSDAP (Hitler's party) too. We're supposed to just write down our favorite party (that we select based on random information we've seen on social media once or who looks the coolest) on a piece of paper every few years, so we feel like we're participating and we can spend the rest of our time working for the rich and consuming their products. We're not supposed to actually take part in how our country is run. We don't have any say in the economy anyway, that's decided by people who just so happened to get rich and the people we elect to act in our interest just get bought out by the rich too.

Convicted felon. Known rapist. Told us to inject bleach for COVID.

Absolutely I still blame people who think he has their interests in mind.

There are no excuses.

How much do you blame the people who voted for Trump or other fascists?

Every one who can be dead to me is dead to me.

Those who are unfortunately tied to me by blood or marriage get the minimum of interaction that family dynamics require me to give.

That's how it will stay.