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I’ve had several conversations/arguments recently with my brother making clear my system of values and my hatred for the wealthy. He is nearly diametrically opposed on all accounts and often makes light of their actions. He goes so far as to say that poor people and people in need of social services should have to figure things out for themselves. He often defends Elon Musk and champions him for being self made.

He is getting married in a foreign country soon and I have been able to put aside our differences and have been planning on going

…up until yesterday that is. I asked him of his thoughts on Musk’s seig heil maneuver and he sent a right wing meme of democratic leaders caught mid wave, saying that “they did it first”. He continued to be avoidant and didn’t respond to me calling it a strawman.

In this moment it feels necessary to cancel my plans to send a message that this is not ok. Am I the (or an) asshole for not going to his wedding because of this?

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 week ago

I would only not attend if it's a financial burden. Don't try to send a message. It won't be heard. Simply assess if it is no longer worth your time and effort and let him know you aren't interested in upending your life on his behalf.

If you've got the money and it isn't a big deal to take a nice vacation, still attend the wedding. After the honeymoon, let him know you're done with his ass.

Aside: I'm presently evaluating whether my mother and I will maintain a relationship. I'm extremely angry with her for voting this way yet again and I have concluded (based on the day-one exec orders) that she is partially a bad person because of her politics. I still love her, but I've had enough. If you're going to hurt the world with your vote, I may not continue having you in my life.

[–] ganymede@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

the current pantomime is clearly designed to divide us and it's working quite well.

you wouldn't be an arsehole, but divide and conquer is exactly what they want

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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -2 points 1 week ago

Don't let politics affect your social life, that's the entire point of why they want us fighting culture wars.

Just ignore your brothers stupid takes.

Ps. Fedi comments are fucking based AF here.

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He is getting married in a foreign country soon

Where is he getting married? Plan a nice holiday in this country and take half a day to attend the wedding just for showing your face. Stand at the back of the room, make sure enough people see you to say you were there, then slowly back away and continue with your nice holiday of the country.

Or save your money and get absolutely loaded on blackjack and hookers back home.

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[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com -2 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Personally I think you’re pushing one hot button waiting for it to blow. I’m sure my father voted for trump. Should I not see him because of it? Or half of America? Wanting your brother to agree with you by punishing him just makes you look childish.

That said, I don’t know the rest of the dynamic. Others might say it’s worth it but honestly you all are just fighting over minor values. Do you expect all family to have exactly your values? Are you a liberal? Because this honestly seems like a lib more than a leftist move. Playing intellectually superior while trying to emotionally hurting the other.

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[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.org -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

In theory, it would be much better to keep debating calmly without personal attacks. Giving up on friends and relatives will keep polarizing society and lead to a civil war in the end. I know this is difficult, when there is no common ground, and neither facts not science exist anymore.

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[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

As with all things, this can be solved by some healthy passive-aggressions:

I'd go, drink heavily, find a random corner of vaguely like minded individuals and strike up a hearty politics convo with them. Don't mention your brothers views, or even assume everyone you're talking with agrees with you.

When your brother and his bride come around to ask how everyone is doing, smile blankly and nod politlely, and wait for him to leave.

Then resume the conversation.

[–] sunglocto@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 week ago

You are absolutely an asshole and you need to realise that he's your brother even if you disagree about politics

[–] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago (9 children)

As far as the Musk thing goes: I won't even get into whether or not Musk was really trying to do a Nazi salute. Personally, I don't think he was, Musk denies it, plenty of Jewish people and Jewish advocacy groups also say they don't think it was intentional. But the important thing is, your brother doesn't think it was intentional. So, at worst, he has committed the crime of being naive, and there's a very good chance that he's right and you're wrong. If he said, yes Musk did a Nazi salute on purpose and then defended that, that would be way over the line. But honestly he sounds like a pretty run of the mill libertarian/conservative. And I will die on the hill that the vast majority of libertarians and conservatives are good people, even if I disagree with them politically.

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[–] PanArab@lemm.ee -5 points 1 week ago

Yes. Blood thicker than water. I have family that I dislike I will still attend weddings and funerals and I will still be there for them.

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