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[–] SattaRIP@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 weeks ago

Nationalism is the stupidest thing humans have created regardless of who their propaganda affects and how.

[–] ilost7489@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

China and the DPRK are oppressive, authoritarian states, and we should defend Ukraine’s right to self determination. I guess that completely nullifies my socialist beliefs because I don’t blindly love every government that brands itself as communist

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ah yes, Ukraine's right to self determination after the west overthrows the democratically elected government and turns it into a literal dictatorship where elections have been cancelled. Thank you for providing a human face to the meme.

[–] Dhs92@programming.dev 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

As per usual, obliviousness in place of an argument from red libs

[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Either that or engaging with such incredible lies is a waste of time. But hey, they said something you don't like, so "red lib."

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What lies are you talking about?

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago
[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago

The censorship here never changes lol

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I happen to agree with you on those but (much like yourself, probably) disagree with the US State dept on Cuba and Israel. Which I reckon makes me more of a leftist than all those tankies simping for Russia, which hasn't had anything to do with communism for over 3 decades.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

Lmao. Lenin had it right with "Left Communism: an Infantile Disorder". You're not a better leftist because you agree to hate the enemies of the US on their schedule while toothlessly condemning the US in the way they approve of.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

Citizens in China of all ethnicities are satisfied with their government, even Harvard, Pew, and Statista quote a number higher than 90%.

If they're authoritarian, what is Klanada, where like 30% were satisfied with the government but all their options are somehow "the same" or "more nazi"?

[–] darharrison@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

True leftism is "when America bad" and the more "America bad" you spout, the more to the left you are. Having nuanced and principled opinions is inferior to campism, gotcha.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

stay mad dronie

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You can call it "nuance" all you want, it doesn't change that such a critical stance is always rooted in state department propaganda.

Western "leftists" trust imperialists more than foreign PoC, which surprises nobody.

[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So instead, we should trust... The other ogliarchic and blatantly fascist empires?

Call me crazy, but I don't think unapologetic fascism is "leftist."

[–] m532@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So "fascism" is when not ruled by whites?

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

Scratch a westolefto and white supremacist bleeds.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

Get ready to be asked for the time in Moscow/Shanghai by the nuanced McCarthyists

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There's a difference in hating/disliking people because of unchangeable circumstances and hating regimes.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] 30p87@feddit.org 0 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Except without a red line and just a gradual scale, yes.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

ah I see we're dealing with sophisticated and nuanced racism here

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes Hail everything! Hail Kim! Hail Saudi-Arabia! I love those states! They do nothing wrong, they are the best places on earth! Or what?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

talking to children whose brains haven't fully developed yet can be exhausting

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, apparently for you nothing is a regime, and all countries are the same in everything?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

All countries have different cultures, history, material conditions, and forms of governance that result from that. Westerners portraying their system as the sole legitimate form of governance amounts to nothing more than modern-day marketing for colonialism, serving as a pretext for Western invasions and global atrocities masquerading as benevolent civilizing missions. The fact that you think that the regime you live under is somehow special shows a profound lack of cognitive development on your part.

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I can at least objectively compare countries and governments. And in those, quality of life is objectively worse than that in Europe. Not because of the people, but the governments and systems in place. And that is my point, the countries that you, and apparently the US, listed are just some of the many, many countries that are untrustworthy in themselves - as political body to interact with. And for most things, especially to do with cyber security and privacy, I also include the USA and partly even Germany and the rest of the EU due to recent political motivations towards mass surveillance. Yet, it's better to live in than those countries.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

lol sure kiddo https://www.businessinsider.com/typical-chinese-adult-now-richer-than-europeans-wealth-report-finds-2022-9

Not only are you wrong, but you also omit the important fact that the standard of living in Europe is built on brutal exploitation of the people in the Global South being the clown that you are.

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What has wealth do to with everything? Thinking money has anything to do with happiness is the stupidest take I've seen in day. Not months because there's still the AfD.

Also, everything is built on exploitation. And again, I'm not saying our government and system is good, it's just not as shit as others who surveil and execute their citizens.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Once again you honor us with a reductive argument based on a soundbite you heard and didn't spend any time actually thinking about. The reality is that wealth beyond a certain point stops making people happy https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/does-more-money-correlate-greater-happiness-Penn-Princeton-research

Also, everything is not built on exploitation. Only an utter ignoramus brainwashed by capitalism would believe that.

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

So if your whole live is surveiled, you are on the brink of being executed if you are different, you work 9 to 9, you are then happy because you are slightly more wealthy and can do ... well what? Pay Xi to be more free? Bribe the Maktoum? Or just do drugs to not suicide?

Which countries are actually free and not build on exploitation then, excluding the arctis?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Adorable you think that your whole life isn't surveiled in the west. Meanwhile, vast majority of people in China aren't working 9 to 9, and in fact are happy as pretty much every survey on China shows. Maybe spent some time actually learning about China instead of making a clown of yourself in public?

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's not surveiled. I don't have a phone with spyware preinstalled. There are no cameras, by law and in practice. I can pay in cash. I can wear what I want. I can choose a provider and they don't even know who I am.

If you ask north koreans, they are probably happy too. Because they don't know that it can be different.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago

you keep on believing that, it's adorable

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago

You sweet summer child.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago

The reason you believe all this nonsense is because you’ve uncritically accepted the propaganda that Western governments and Western corporate media have been flooding you with your entire life.

I try to point people toward developing real media literacy.

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[–] _lunar@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

wtf you should actually be banned for this

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago

Wtf is this absurd racism?

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

I'm also a fan of "junta"

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Is it really so hard for yall to believe that Everybody Sucks Here?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

A better question is why it's so easy for you to believe such nonsense.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

The enlightened position of hating your fellow worker whether at home or abroad (but mostly the ones abroad).

Wow, wonder who gave you such a revolutionary, ironclad idea and why.

[–] _lunar@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

ah the good ol' "i can't make a choice so Everybody Sucks™ i am very smart and superior" intellectual suicide

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I've said this many times, but equal condemnation for unequal sin exaggerates the lesser and minimizes the greater. This scales dramatically, the greater the difference.

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 0 points 3 weeks ago

lol, every .world user.

[–] daydrinkingchickadee@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

There are 2 rightwing parties in the US. If you are a leftwing voter and live in the empire or any of its vassal states, you're wasting your time.

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

If your view on Ukraine is opposite that of the state dept, you're probably just ingesting unhealthy amounts of Russian propaganda.

Also ask any Russian LGBT activists how their lives are going right now. Oh wait, you can't because they're in jail. Sickens me that supposed "leftists" will run interference for such a blatantly bigoted regime.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If your view on Ukraine aligns with that of the state department then you're an ignoramus. Meanwhile, are you suggesting that Ukraine is the bastion of LGBT rights? 🤡

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[–] random@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

leftists when they claim to be anti imperialist but just support the other empire, your view of those things align with what the russian state wants you to think

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