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When called out on it, they then doubled down on this dogshit take: https://archive.ph/quYyb

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 42 points 2 days ago

Well thats a fuckin shame.

Good to know. Bye Proton.

[–] teslasaur@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Why are there no reports and outrage over the pick of Gail Slater? Doesn't she fit the standard outrage mold? She does seem to be pretty vehemetly anti-big tech. She has driven monopoly cases against VISA, Google and Apple. Surprisingly sober choice as assistant attorney general.

If this is suppose to be "Full MAGA", then i don't understand where you draw lines.

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 63 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (17 children)

I wouldn't say he's being "Maga", but this is some "Libertarian" dumb fuck that has no clue what's happeneing in politics.

If you scroll through his twitter, he did praise some things that Biden did, so it seems like he might just be bootlicking whoever is in power as appeasement

Edit: He also seems to be pro-Ukraine and supports the activists in Hong Kong, so basically a Libertarian that leans to the political right. (And also being a huge dumbass)

[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

The first nuanced comment in this entire thread. Thank you.

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Little guys? Like Coca Cola?

[–] chandlerbung@lemmy.cafe 17 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Fuck Proton than.

What's a good alternative I can use?

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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

So many lies in one post (by Trump), it's hard to keep up with them.

[–] RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works 55 points 3 days ago (17 children)
[–] Shirasho@lemmings.world 61 points 3 days ago (11 children)

You can generally tell what way someone leans when they say "Dems" but spell out "Republicans".

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 6 points 2 days ago

Andy here, since it's my original post that's being reposted here, let me comment further.

My post is talking about Gail Slater, who is by all measures, actually a good pick, with a solid track record of being on the right side of the antitrust issue. Yes, she happens to be nominated by Trump, but her record speaks for itself.

This is not going to be a popular opinion, but on the specific issue of antitrust, Democrats fell short. In 2022, we campaigned extensively in the US for anti-trust legislation. Two bills were ready, with bipartisan support. Chuck Schumer (who coincidently has two daughters working as big tech lobbyists) refused to bring the bills for a vote. In the aftermath of this failure, great people like former Democratic rep David Cicilline left congress, leaving few strong voices for antitrust left in the Democratic party. In the meantime, at a 2024 event covering antitrust remedies, out of all the invited senators, just a single one showed up - JD Vance.

By working on the front lines of many policy issues, we have seen the shift between Dems and Republicans over the past decade first hand. And that's a missed opportunity for Dems, because by and large, support for cracking down on corporate monopolies is popular on both sides of the political spectrum. Unfortunately, corporate capture of Dems is real and in the end money won. It is hard to see how this changes, and Republicans are likely to lead the antitrust charge in the coming years.

From that perspective, and going back to my original post, Gail is a great pick. One should not equate our support of Gail for Proton not being neutral anymore. We continue to call out bad behavior from both sides, whether it's Dems or Republicans, on our core issues. Just a few weeks ago, we were called out for being in bed with Soros because we gave money to too many "liberal" organizations: https://proton.me/blog/2024-lifetime-fundraiser-results No, the Proton Foundation isn't the new Soros either (even if we may coincidentally fund some of the same things sometimes). We simply stick with our strongly held core believes, and leave politics out of it, because the issues we care about, should be apolitical.


UPDATE: I posted another comment further below in response to a user, but I'll reproduce it here for completeness:

I don't really want to wade further into what is obviously a very polarizing political topic, but since you are asking for some thoughts, I can share.

We have been fighting big corporate interests since the very beginning. People have short memories, so few remember that in 2019 and 2020, we were working with congressional Democrats on this issue. We're even cited a dozen times in the report, which by the way, was partially authored by Lina Khan, who at that time worked with Ciciline. This is the report here: https://proton.me/blog/congress-antitrust-report

The American Innovation and Choice Online Act (AICOA) was also mentioned. Guess what, we supported that too: https://proton.me/blog/congress-stand-up-to-big-tech More than with blog posts, I personally was on Capitol Hill trying to convince senators who were on the fence, on both the Democratic and Republican side. The votes where there, but in 2022, Democrats controlled the Senate, and ultimately Sen. Schumer decided what gets to be voted on, and as we know, AICOA was not advanced.

Epic vs Apple was also mentioned. Well, we supported that one too. In fact, we were one of the founding companies of the Coalition for App Fairness, along with, yes, Epic: https://proton.me/blog/coalition-for-app-fairness

The point I am trying to make is, in the past 10 years, our position on corporate monopolies has not moved. But US politics has shifted, and the parties themselves have moved. We're huge supporters of Lina Khan and her work. But you know who else agrees with Lina Khan on Big Tech? Actually, JD Vance, as he's publicly stated: https://fortune.com/2024/08/11/jd-vance-5000-child-tax-credit-support-ftc-lina-khan-tech-regulation/ Can you imagine the Republican Vice Presidents of the past taking this position?

It is not a bad thing that Republicans have moved so far on this issue, and are now in a position to go even further than Democrats have managed in the past four years. It's a good thing, and something that should be welcomed irrespective of your political leanings. Ultimately, we will judge actions, but for now, I am supportive of Gail Slater, just as I was supportive of Lina Khan. And honestly, it should not matter that one is a Republican, and the other is a Democrat.

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[–] Muscle_Meteor@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Does anyone happen to know if the CEO of Tuta is a fucking noron?

I just switched the proton a month ago and so id like to avoid having to do this every few months

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[–] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 50 points 2 days ago (5 children)

PROTIP: Canceling your subscription gives you a place to tell them how you feel (even if you don't end up following through with it).

But damn, where to go from here? Self hosting my own email server and password manager is a little out of my wheel house.

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[–] GreenSofaBed@lemmy.zip 33 points 2 days ago (18 children)

I use Proton mail, any recommendations for alternatives?

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

If encryption is a must, then use Tuta. German company, privacy focused, open source all around, no surveillance, free tier with encryption available, encrypted calendars, accessible paid subscriptions with actually useful services.

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[–] 800XL@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

I hope you all see thru Trump's Big Tech bullshit. It's not to reign them in to make America competitive - or whatever other horseshit he spews out of that asshole he calls a mouth. It's to get rid of the others so that he controls and censors the fuck out of the only avenue of social communication like his handlers.

[–] Freefall@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"worked in media at Fox" the TV Cabinet expands! Yikes.

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[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

🤦 Can we get this in actual text or maybe a cool link to the actual content for those of us who need it for accessibility & the rest of us who don't like trying to read pixelated garbage? Screenshots of text are such a scourge. 😭

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