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After reading about the "suicide" of yet another whistleblower, it got me thinking.

When working at large enough company, it's entirely possible that at some point you will get across some information the company does not want to be made public, but your ethics mandate you blow the whistle. So, I was wondering if I were in that position how I would approach creating a dead man's switch in order to protect myself.

From wikipedia:

A dead man's switch is a switch that is designed to be activated or deactivated if the human operator becomes incapacitated, such as through death, loss of consciousness, or being bodily removed from control. Originally applied to switches on a vehicle or machine, it has since come to be used to describe other intangible uses, as in computer software.

In this context, a dead man's switch would trigger the release of information. Some additional requirements could include:

  1. No single point of failure. (aka a usb can be stolen, your family can be killed, etc)
  2. Make the existence of the switch public. (aka make sure people know of your mutually assured destruction)
  3. Secrets should be safe until you die, disappear, or otherwise choose to make them public.

Anyway, how would you go about it?

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[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 13 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Making the existence of the switch public is often something you don't want. It allows others to do troubleshooting in advance. It also destroys your reputation with many people who might otherwise work with you.

If you are content to keep things secret, share the documents with several different friends or law firms in several different countries along with conditions for release. Don't tell them or everyone who all has the documents. That sounds relatively simple.

[–] moopet@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 days ago

Making the existence of something public means you'd need to give away at least some details of who or what it concerned, at which point you're in the situation of either being a target or a blackmailer.

[–] Analog@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

I agree with all of the above, except I’d add encryption to the data.

That way you are not putting your life in their hands, at least until it doesn’t matter / you want the data released. Encryption keys are super lightweight vs data; taken to an unreasonable extreme, a KB could unlock TBs.

Though you’d probably want something more like a passphrase. Anyway, that basic idea is sound but I dunno about the exact delivery/delay mechanism. Gun to my head and I have seconds to decide… scheduled send from a major cloud email provider, pay way in advance, and an increasing flood of calendar events/reminders up to the day it sends. The message would include enough information about the encryption used and formats within that any tier 1 helpdesk level IT person could access the data.

Not perfect, but a good enough balance of simple and robust to start with.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It doesn't make any sense. If you are a whistleblower is because you already published the information. They are not killing you so the information does not get revealed. They are killing because you already did.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

you just need more information and then you need to prove that you have more information so they can kill you anyways

[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Set up several solar powered raspberry pies with cheap iot SIM cards, each will check a vm in the cloud or at home for a key. If the key isn’t present or can’t be reached they release the info. Could have several servers to store keys to check. Everyday you enter a code to prevent the key from being removed.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 9 points 6 days ago

You would need to account for temporary connection issues to make sure it doesn't send it after a network outage or something.

[–] preludeofme@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I used to build automation tools (shudderVBAshudder) that the "proper" technology wouldn't be bothered to make. Over 15 years I had over 200 tools built out. I had tied all my code to a single file that I would use to keep everything updated. I had imagined in so many ways of setting up a dead man's switch to start slowly corrupting and degrading everything or to just implode everything... Would have worked except our company got bought out and everything became useless and I got laid off lol. Got a nice pay check out of it

[–] olympicyes@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

You wanted to ruin your company? Why?

[–] preludeofme@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Ha well it was more of a "oh crap we need to bring him back ASAP" kinda thing to get my job back. And as others said this was all mainly for fun thinking about it. The intrusive thoughts

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

When did they say they wanted to ruin their company?

[–] Shanedino@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The slowly corrupting and degrading everything part.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

But when did they say they wanted to do that? They just said they imagined it. I've imagined ways to screw over my workplace as well, it doesn't mean I want to

[–] Shanedino@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think you are being needlessly pedantic.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works -1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I'm not being pedantic at all. The entire premise of your question was them "wanting" to ruin their company. There's no other way to interpret that

If you want to rephrase what you said to clear up the confusion, I'm all ears

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago (3 children)

A whistleblower doesn't need a dead man's switch as they'd just release the document.

A muckracker does.

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You may not be able to collect more if you publish everything at the start

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

True that...

[–] atan@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

A whistleblower is likely to have access to sensitive data or other forms of leverage not directly linked to whatever they're whistleblowing on. Of course this sort of insurance policy would be useful to them.

[–] red@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago

I think its useful for situation where I'm in process of collecting evidence, so I can keep tge switch just in case I get caught in the process but at least the evidence so far can be public

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 169 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

The most non-intrusive foolproof method I can think of is spite-induced action:

  1. Get a pacemaker with Zigbee mesh network connectivity
  2. Implant a small device into your wrist that vibrates if your pacemaker is ever disconnected from the network (in which case, run NOW to your nearest safehouse)
  3. Should the vibration continue for longer than 5 minutes, a vial of cyanide from a hollow tooth explodes into your mouth allowing you to spit it at your nearest enemy (should one be around)
  4. The bursting of the hollow tooth sends a signal to a remote server, which triggers the eject command on a server, causing the CD tray to come out.
  5. A confused sysadmin will bitterly get off his chair, and go inspect the server, whereupon he will see the paper instructions embedded in the CD tray, and read them.
  6. Assuming his latvian is good, and that he's familiar with caesar cyphers, he will decode the message that will lead him to a youtube URL where he will post the following comment "Jose I slept with your mother."
  7. One of the subscribers to the youtube channel is your friend Jose, who will read the comment, spit out his coffee, and then immediately call you.
  8. After about a week of no response, he uploads the contents of that USB stick you gave him with the instructions to "never upload this ever under any circumstance" out of sheer spite.

Edit: Here, I made a diagram of the whole thing

State Diagram

spoiler (with mermaid source)

stateDiagram-v2
    direction TB
    
    state Internet {
        state "Wider Zigbee Network" as WiderZigbeeNetwork
        --
        state "Youtube" as youtube{
            state "MuckBang
            <small>Wasabi Challenge</small>" as video1
            state "A Cat's Guide to Vomit
            <small>By Remington Steel</small>" as video2
        }        
        state "Remote Server" as server {
            state "Server
            <small>CD-Tray</small>" as cdtray
            state "SysAdmin
            <small>Some Latvian Dude</small>" as terry
        }
        --
        state "brazzers.org" as brazzers
    }

    state People {
        state "Jose" as jose {
           state "Youtube Subscriptions" as subs
            state "Phone" as josephone
            state "Coffee" as cuppajoe
            state "USB Stick" as usb2
        }
        state "You" as you {
            state "Pacemaker" as pmaker
            state "Wrist Implant" as wrimplant
            state "Hollow Tooth" as htooth
            state "USB Stick" as usb1
            state "Phone" as youphone
        }
        state "Enemy" as enemy {
            state "Random Person" as rando
        }
    }

    [*] --> pmaker : Insert next to heart
    pmaker --> WiderZigbeeNetwork : Maintain connection
    WiderZigbeeNetwork --> wrimplant : Vibrate for 5 mins if connection lost
    wrimplant --> htooth: Explode after 5 mins vibrating

    htooth --> cdtray: Send "eject"
    htooth --> enemy: Spit cyanide
    cdtray --> terry : Decode the paper in the CD tray
    terry --> video1 : Comment about Jose's mother

    video1 --> subs : subscribed to
    video2 --> subs : subscribed to

    subs --> cuppajoe : Spit out when reading insulting comment
    cuppajoe --> usb2
    cuppajoe --> josephone

    usb1 --> usb2 : Years ago - Give USB stick with instructions to never upload
    josephone --> youphone : Call to complain but get no response
    usb2 --> brazzers : Upload USB contents out of spite

:::

[–] dditty@lemm.ee 48 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This reads like a modern day SysAdmin Rube Goldberg machine; I love it

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Worthy of being submitted to The Register as a sysadmin story

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[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 105 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The real answer: hire a law firm, entrust them with your documents, write into your will what you want to happen with them, and then go on about your business.

[–] souperk@reddthat.com 27 points 1 week ago

Maybe, add a clause what should happen if you disappear for more than x days. For most jurisdictions you are considered dead if you disappear for a few years.

[–] acidred@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The question assumes that you family could be killed. Why the law firm is protected against such violence in that case?

[–] Object@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

A dead man's switch doesn't quite protect you from garden hose cryptanalysis though. Nothing stops them from asking you to tell them if he got a dead man's switch.

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[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 68 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Encrypt secret. Post it publicly. Configure a web server to email the private key to any number of addresses if you don’t log in every week.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

going to have to be careful with the timing, though. A week can easily be reached if you are ever in an (actual) accident.

Also, note that having a publicly known dead mans switch can be exploited and cause the opposite of what you want: Imagine a competitor (be it idustrial or nation state) wants the secret to leak. Why not speed it up?

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[–] aaaa@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

There are very few situations where a dead man's switch would have helped these whistleblowers.

Once they have gone public and are at risk of being "suicided" they should have already released everything they knew. Sitting on it after already going public in any way only helps if the goal is to blackmail or extort the company, rather than to expose the company or protect others.

A lot of people have latched onto the idea of a dead man's switch (and I get it, technical solutions are fun to create), but the only part of the scenario it would help is before the whistleblower goes public, while they are still gathering information and haven't yet been discovered by the company. Even then, it wouldn't protect them from being killed, it would only ensure that the partial work is released in case they were discovered and prevented from finishing it.

[–] zkfcfbzr@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (3 children)

A "live-man's switch" might be a better idea. If you're in such a high profile situation and you're scared enough that you think you need a dead man's switch, make frequent unprompted public declarations that you're healthy and not suicidal, and that should anything happen to you, you blame the company.

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[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If you really have secrets, you shouldn't have a dead man's switch.

You should have released it all on day one.

"What makes them keep you alive then?"

It's not like corporations are going to get punished for killing you regardless.

[–] notabot@lemm.ee 29 points 1 week ago

The problem with releasing them on day one is that you then can't gather more. If you've only just exposed the edges of the malfeasance you need time to get the rest before exposing it. Go too early and the rest of the evidence can be destroyed, covered up or those holding it coearsed into silence.

Having a dead man's switch is a way to ensure whatever you've gathered gets released if you're no longer in a position to gather more. As such I disagree with the poster about making it public knowledge before release. Keep it secret until you have everything, then release it.

[–] souperk@reddthat.com 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Another thing to consider is that you won't know immediately that the information you stumbles upon is incriminating. Sometimes it may take years until you have all the pieces of the puzzle.

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[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Just a scheduled email that you need to cancel every 24 hours.

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[–] dumbass@leminal.space 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The fuck kind of information you sitting on there!?

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He knows the real identity of the Hamburgler

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