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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

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[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Satire’s dead, but I’d love to see a revival of both it and serious human existence within my lifetime c:

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 4 points 3 weeks ago

Satire may have been instrumental in its own demise.

People see satire and are either smart enough to understand it - maybe even find it funny, or are offended by it. Those who are offended generally become more entrenched in their beliefs and those who aren't either don't see the satire for the warning it is, or do, but mostly choose not to do something about the subject.

And since people have seen what the satirised subject could be like, and they didn't take action, the subject might take the opportunity to move a little closer to the form it took in satire.

Given this and enough time, satire and reality can become indistinguishable.

And here we are.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

It is hard to make satire now when we seem to be living in an age that satirizes itself.

[–] Fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 3 weeks ago (19 children)

Satire should be free. Hate speech should not. People shouldn't be killed for either. I don't particularly cry when bigots die though.

All that said, there's reasons some jokes just aren't worth telling. There's times and spaces, and for some jokes there's neither and that's ok.

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[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

Obviously it's horrible to kill people over speech. Cartoons do not justify violence or terrorism.

But we also shouldn't pretend like speech is necessary or valuable just because it's offensive or that offending people to the point of violence is noble.

If someone was killed for saying the n word that would be a tragedy and should be condemned. But we shouldn't all go around yelling the n word just to assert our free speech or pretend like the guy saying the n word was a hero for doing it.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Charlie mostly draws satire of people in power or with influence. Do you think they only do that to be offensive?

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[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

There is a big difference between the two!!

You do not chose to be black, you chose what fairytale to believe in.

You do not try to convert other people to be black, religious try to convert others into their nonsense.

You do not kill people for stopping to be black, Islam does.

Religion NEEDS to be mocked, because it is ridiculous and it is infecting everything around us.

I wouldn't care about anyone's religious beliefs if they practiced for themselves and left everyone else alone, but they never do. They have to spread their bullshit and infiltrate governments to try to legislate their bullshit.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

I agree with your sentiment although the n word wouldn't have been my choice for that analogy.

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[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Reality keeps sliding into absurdity rendering satire mute.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

I don't have any issue or opinion or dog in the race with the prophet Muhammed, but those idiots made it important to say "muhammed the prophet is a giant cunt who should be laughed at and get a pie in the face" every now and then just to remind everybody how getting to talk works.

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