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[–] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I think the flaw is human nature. All governments and organizations are corrupt. All implementations are always twisted to suit the greed of individuals.

It's entirely possible to create policy and enforcement mechanisms that would mitigate or eliminate excessive greed but nobody with anything votes for it because they'll lose out on their own personal greed by their measure. They want that chance to fleece the masses even if they aren't in the club that's already doing it.

Blame humans.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No, take your fascist misanthropy elsewhere.

[–] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Based on your comment history and how negative you are about absolutely everything... have you looked in the mirror lately?

Also keep in mind that I have simply made a hypothesis that humans are incapable of not being corrupt in organizations at scale. How in the fuck is that any one political leaning? The system itself is irrelevant. Even in communes where everyone "shares equally" there's usually someone in leadership getting special exemptions and special treatment.

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[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

All implementations are always twisted to suit the greed of individuals.

So it would be best to live under a system that doesn't encourage and reward such behavior, no?

[–] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I'd love one, I don't think humans are capable.

In very small organization sizes it's possible but as people come and go eventually someone will get control to make decisions that put their interests or their connections interests ahead of the masses.

[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

In what way does this graph say humans are not corrupt and taking advantage?

Even under communism the 1% had 4% of assets, that's not 1% of assets like true communism should be. That in and of itself proves corruption to me. The fact that the USSR fell and a handful of 1%ers got the majority of industries for pennies on the dollar is egregious corruption. None of this is a criticism of communism. This is criticizing the actions of individuals who decided to be corrupt.

It's just human nature. Some people call it "enlightened self interest" others call it nepotism, some call it survival of the fittest. Some call it gaming the system. In all cases it's the same problem. Sometimes things can go well for a while but on a scale of even just a hundred years when an organization has more than a couple hundred people it simply goes sideways.

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[–] dudeami0@lemmy.dudeami.win 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I would argue this is more an issue of when citizens get complacent and stop holding those who govern them accountable. This is when any form of government will eventually start turning to the corruption. Those in power can change the rules while citizens are going about their lives. It works even better if the citizens are too busy and stressed out to worry about "silly things like politics".

[–] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Getting everyone to be involved and knowledgeable about absolutely everything and to fight to make things right is beyond the capabilities of current humans. The more I know the more I understand I don't know a lot about so many things beyond what i've experienced. Ignorance drives so many reactions (including the personal attacks from my comments here.)

I have met many individuals in this world who get very, very angry that someone else is doing x, y, or z - even if it has zero impact on them. Some of the reactions to my comments here about a very logical challenge that could have solutions with technology are attacked with illogical non-arguments and are a perfect example of how impossible it is to get humans to think critically about things when they have their own biases.

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[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I think capitalism is fine in principle, but like anything else that needs limits and rules that people are willing to enforce.

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[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Not everyone. Capitalists love capitalism. It's the people who aren't capitalists but think they are because they love capitalism.

Sort of like how people think they are Christian's because they go to church believe in Jesus, but don't actually follow the teachings.

People think they are all sorts of things they are not and make themselves and or other miserable because of their fantasies.

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