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Hi guys basically as the title says. I have a pixel phone running GrapheneOS and I really don't want to install Play Services. Is there an alternative for me? I need reliable notifications for Telegram and signal. Edit: Thank you all amazing people for helping I learned alot and found best setup for me

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[–] qweertz@programming.dev 34 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Most libre applications implement their own websockets for this. EDIT: some propriety spyware like WhatsApp use those too, can confirm myself, as I unfortunately have to use it on my GrapheneOS owner profile (which ofc doesn't have the sandboxed GPlay services installed; I could technically use it on my profile for personal proprietary apps, but it would be a major pita) ENDEDIT
(unfortunately Proton uses only Google FCM in most of their apps and doesn't publish them on F-Droid or Accrescent)

However, those can take a strain on your battery since every websocket maintains it's own connection.
This is where UnifiedPush in combination with either nfty or Sunup comes in
(EDIT: I use ntfy myself, also Sunup seems to be quite new, so it might come with some quirks; EDITEND there is also a plugin for your own Nextcloud)

Since Unifiedpush maintains only one connection for every app using it, this takes quite a bit less charge to upkeep
(it's explained quite well on their website which is hyperlinked)

If you are looking for Unifiedpush support on Signal: Molly is a hardened fork of the client and does support it through Mollysocket

EDIT: If you use Telegram there is Mercurygram. As for Matrix clients, I use Element and Schildichat. All these support UnifiedPush

[–] dracs@programming.dev 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm using Molly with UnifiedPush for notifications and it works quite well.

[–] qweertz@programming.dev 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

So you have set it up over Mollysocket? Do you use your own or a remote instance?

I just haven't got around to setting it up myself yet... (+ I don't have my own server yet, so I can't self host :/)

[–] dracs@programming.dev 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, in self hosting MollySocket and my own Ntfy server. I'm in the process of moving it all to my NAS so I don't have to leave my computer on all the time.

I really wish Signal would support it natively.

[–] qweertz@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

it's rly cool that you're self hosting this stuff! though I can imagine running your PC 24/7 just for that is quite annoying

also yeah, upstream support for UnifiedPush in the clients for both Signal and Telegram would be great...

But I can imagine that it's not rly a priority for them.
(I'm not actually skilled enough (yet) to help implement that though either)

[–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Spot on response!
Just a note: in my experience Mercurygram with ntfy is terribly unreliable, with notifications coming in days later, so I personally ended up enabling its background service anyways, it doesn't look like it's taking up much battery at least

[–] qweertz@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Thx for the kind words!

I left the background service on for all the messengers, it's not like the Unifiedpush ones have anything major to use anyway. This increased the reliability and peace of mind + they never show up as major battery users for me either

[–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You mean unrestricted battery usage? If so, I don't exactly understand how it differs from keeping the unifiedpush integration off and relying on the app, does it make it so that it's only "ready" to be triggered by ntfy when it would otherwise poll the server on its own very frequently (so you end up actually saving some battery)?

[–] qweertz@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

does it make it so that it's only "ready" to be triggered by ntfy when it would otherwise poll the server on its own very frequently (so you end up actually saving some battery)?

That's how I understand it, yes. You change the behaviour of the app by configuring it to use UnifiedPush, so there is less background usage to "restrict"

[–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 2 points 1 week ago

I see, that makes sense

[–] aprehendedmerlin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thanks for your awesome advice.

[–] qweertz@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Happy to help :)

(especially when it comes awesome libre software :p)

[–] illegalflyer@lemm.ee 24 points 2 weeks ago

Only thing I have a problem with right now is proton mail. Hopefully soon they will be implementing notifications that don't rely on google play (they said they are working on it)

[–] phase@lemmy.8th.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Please update what you chose then, to help the next person.

[–] aprehendedmerlin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I went with ntfy.sh and installed molly and mercurygram.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Good choices. I take this a step further and bridge IRC, Signal, Gvoice, and WhatsApp from a plugged in device or container to Matrix. Then use ntfy for Matrix notifications. This gives me notifications for all of them in Matrix/Element and thus through ntfy.

Example: Instead of Molly I use mautrix-signal bridge as the device and it feeds messages into Matrix.

There's also a Telegram bridge: https://matrix.org/ecosystem/bridges/telegram/

[–] Matombo@feddit.org 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

nfty for applications that support it. your only other choice is microg

[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

your only other choice is microg

Doesn't work on GrapheneOS, since it requires root access for signature spoofing. And it's not any better than Sandboxed play services.

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[–] Cris16228@lemmy.today 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It depends. Some apps have their push notifications system but may consume more battery.

You should list what apps

[–] aprehendedmerlin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

You're right I need reliable notifications for Telegram and signal

[–] VHS@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

There's a fork of Telegram on F-droid called "Telegram FOSS" that runs a background service for notifications. I've used it and the effect on battery drain is pretty minor, like maybe 2% per charge. Not sure if something similar exists for Signal.

I use MicroG on my phone, it's a basic FOSS replacement for GMS and makes push notifications work for all apps. It gets push notifs from Google's servers but you don't need an account. It doesn't use Google at all for location, which is nice as that's a highly invasive aspect of Play Services. Not all ROMs are compatible with it, I use it on Lineage

[–] Cris16228@lemmy.today 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I use MicroG on my phone, it's a basic FOSS replacement for GMS and makes push notifications work for all apps. It gets push notifs from Google's servers but you don't need an account. It doesn't use Google at all for location, which is nice as that's a highly invasive aspect of Play Services. Not all ROMs are compatible with it, I use it on Lineage

Does it work with WhatsApp? Its the only app that drains my battery like crazy. I had it installed but didn't work

[–] VHS@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

It's a drop-in replacement so it should provide push notifications and location functionality just fine for every app. Other functionality such as IAPs will probably be unsupported.

From the data I see on Plexus for WhatsApp, the core functionality and notifications work just fine on MicroG, but backing up chats to Google Drive is broken.

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[–] Dust0741@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Telegram X works for me

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Signal does its own notifications

[–] tht@social.pwned.page 3 points 2 weeks ago

Yea but it drains my battery

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[–] WreckingBANG@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It depends for what Apps you need them. Often Apps like Signal or Element support getting Notifications via a persistent Server connection or asking every so often for Notifications. Even tho i could not find any source, i found that this works with Whatsapp(sadly have to use it) too.

[–] aprehendedmerlin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

So it's either a persistent notification or allowing the app to constantly running in the background. Does it have a significant battery impact?

[–] FrostyPolicy@suppo.fi 4 points 2 weeks ago

Doesn't have a significant impact. Using Telegram (though third party OSS client called Forkgram) and Signal without Play services on pixel as well.

[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

yes, it has a "significant" impact on battery. i don't know why the other comment claims otherwise.

it's worth it for me, so i accept that "impact".

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

For some people it doesn't, and for others it does. So your mileage may vary. For example, with me, I have seen no significant battery impact, and I've been running it this way for several years.

[–] WreckingBANG@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Signal uses 2% a day and Element 1%. I do not really think this is significant.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

On my device, I let the app just constantly hang out in the background with a persistent notification that I have turned off, but it does not have a significant battery impact for me at all. So your mileage may vary. Some people say that it has significant impact, and some people like me, it doesn't impact hardly at all.

[–] WreckingBANG@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

Depends on the App but generally no.

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[–] NewOldGuard@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I personally like using UnifiedPush wherever possible. You install an app to serve notifications (I use ntfy.sh), then install applications which support the standard. Usually they have a setting to toggle unified push which should register them with ntfy, then you’re golden. Obviously this is limited to a small group of apps but support is growing, and where it’s present it’s fantastic.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don't know about Telegram, but I know, at least with Signal, it should work with web sockets, and allow you to get notifications that way. At least that's how I get my notifications on Molly, which is a fork of signal. While not many applications support it, you might also look into UnifiedPush and ntfy which is a UP app from F-Droid.

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[–] squid_slime@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago

I use ntfy from fdroid

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

FYI for the other commenters, UnifiedPush can work thru the Prosody mod_unified_push or any server with a up where Conversations (& its forks like Cheogram, Monocles, Blabber) can be a distributor. This has the added bonus of coming with an awesome decentralized XMPP chat server getting to reuse a single connection & single app to server instead of separate ones. Conversations is the most efficient chat client on Android in terms of resources (battery, network, RAM) so might as well keep it lightweight—which you are probably trying to get push notifications from the likes of Signal or Element, but what is the point when you have an efficient XMPP server for your chat needs?

However, I think UnifiedPush might be a bit flawed—as if the startup that created ntfy is pushing others to try to adopt their standard instead of getting folks on board with the older & capable MQTT (which also can be ran thru mod_mqtt on your XMPP server). I am not yet sure if this is a tinfoil take or not.

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