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LGB people vape more than twice as much as their straight peers (www.lgbtqnation.com)

submitted 2 months ago by Sunshine@lemmy.ca to c/lgbtq_plus@lemmy.blahaj.zone

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What's up with lgbtq nation using the right wing lgb phrasing?

[–] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 43 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Conclusive data on transgender users was unavailable, the authors noted.

RTFA

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

That tracks as we usually “don’t smoke” (idk if you still have to quit to get hormones but you used to)

[+] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone -22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

that doesn't answer my question why they're using right wing terf phrasing

its still lgbtq+ not lgb

[–] loonsun@sh.itjust.works 46 points 2 months ago

Because this data literally doesn't include trans, Queer, two spirit, asexual, or any other sexuality besides the ones in the acronym. It is only that acronym because of the data, it's a coincidence not an intention.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

How would you have them refer to lesbian, gay and bisexual people, exclusive of trans people?

[+] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone -18 points 2 months ago (4 children)

they could start by not excluding trans people. you refer to them just like i said; the lgbtq+ community

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Sometimes they must necessarily be excluded. You just referred to trans people without referring to bi people. Were you "excluding" bi people? Well, in the sense of the word that you just (perhaps unintentionally) used, yes, you just excluded them. And it was okay. Because you weren't talking about bi people. So it was okay to say "trans" instead of "2SLGBTQ+". Because you were speaking specifically about trans people and that is OKAY. So what would you have me say when I am specifically talking about lesbian, gay, and bisexual people but not trans people??!!

You're so hung up on dogma and culture warring that you're not using your brain.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone -5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

what do you think the b in lgbtq+ is?

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You didn't say "lgbtq+". You wrote:

trans people

You said "trans". Stop excluding bi people. Don't say "trans" say "2slgbtq+".

^^^ that's you

I have to think you are arguing in bad faith at this point.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 months ago

this is literally my entire post

they could start by not excluding trans people. you refer to them just like i said; the lgbtq+ community

[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Agreed, but it would be inaccurate here, seeing as trans people don't vape as much.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

my bestie in christ, scientifically excluding a population is not the same as treating a community with prejudice. trans people are excluded from the acronym in the title because there isn't data on us. it would be misleading and inaccurate to include us in those statistics.

[–] superb@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago

But this article isn’t about the whole community, right?

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Is this not them being more specific? It is specifically calling to lesbian, gay, and bisexual folks and explicitly not including transgender and gender diverse folk, as per the study

gay, lesbian and bisexual Americans vape at significantly higher rates

Conclusive data on transgender users was unavailable, the authors noted.

(I do however understand the knee jerk reaction to seeing LGB on its own. Fuck terfs.)

[–] germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Guilty as charged, although not from US

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

You’re are naughty ;)

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

The Onion predicts the future once again.

The Onion: New Anti Smoking Ads Warn Teens "It's Gay To Smoke"

[–] KillingAndKindess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago

Cause I can at least trust this pole not to vote trump and ghost me after I smoke it!