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[–] tentaclius@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

Tried it, still prefer Mastadon. The amount of shitposts or unrelated posts is incomparable to that of meta's threads, but still quite high to my taste.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Oh my god! That's terrible! 20 million people!?

What have they ever done to Bluesky!? Why would Bluesky go out of its way to hit so many people!?

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] slingstone@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Look what they made Bluesky do.

[–] Darkenfolk@dormi.zone 12 points 2 days ago

Have you met people?! I'm surprised it's only 20 million. It shows a near saint like self-control on Bluesky's part.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 101 points 3 days ago (14 children)

I just.. I could never comprehend twitter (or Mastadon, or bluesky for that matter).

The whole structure of the conversation feel like people shouting into an open auditorium. And everyone is shouting at once.

I just do not see the appeal.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Depends how you use it. I follow artsy people and game devs and my feed is mostly just art and game dev related posts.

[–] Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I thought it was a great idea for official statements. Kind of like a new type of RSS feed.

Local transport companies can advertise delays, meteorology organisations can advertise natural disasters, police can post active missing person alerts, etc.

But it seems like it is just vapid narcissists thinking other people give a shit about their random thoughts.

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why does an RSS feed need a "new type" tho? Normal RSS can be hosted by anyone and can be read on so many different readers...

[–] Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

Why wasn't RSS as popular as the original Twitter?

I'm not sure what the answer is, but I suspect it's the same answer.

[–] blackbirdbiryani@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

RSS is in no way simple to regular normies.

[–] Today@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I agree. I followed a couple of theaters, music venues, and bars to see what events were coming up and when happy hour was. I never understood the idea of following people just to hear what they were thinking every 15 seconds.

[–] Lizardking13@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I love it for sports stuff. This player is out today. Player was injured in the game and out for the remainder of the game. Records, stats, things like that are great for these mediums.

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 days ago

Yeah. I think that's the appeal. You could just shout things and hope others would follow until a part of the auditorium would turn their heads to you. So, if someone shouted "it's an Earthquake!", and people nearby felt it and tweeted, implying it was true, everyone in the auditorium would know about it. Of course, other types of messages were send in Twitter, but most importantly, actors and robots started to use Twitter to plainly shout lies and noise.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I’m with you 100%. The Twitter product has always been a clunky pile of bullshit for me. But somehow it became the default public space and choice of celebrities, etc and I think that has been 98% of its appeal.

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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Small notes to be answered rarely.

I've looked at the early Usenet archives, and typical posts there resembled this format quite a lot. It's later that Usenet became a place where you write long considerate posts, and also expect rather quick answers.

It's actually interesting to communicate in a rare terse format.

The reason I don't use Twitter, BlueSky, anything like that is - I don't have a scenario of it being useful for me.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Usenet to me seems more like Lemmy than anything else. All conversations are groups by topic, just like Lemmy. Although they are all just "text posts".

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[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Me too but here's one useful function:

Perhaps you are aware there is an ongoing event, say for example a football game, or an election, or an outage of your email service provider. You go to one of these "scream into the void" social sites, search on the topic, and learn what people are saying about it. Maybe someone knows what's really going on, maybe some of those people have some interesting insights and you engage with them, not unlike you and I are engaging right now. Others can observe, perhaps contribute, and after the event has concluded, everyone goes their own way. Hopefully in the end the interactions are beneficial for all.

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[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 75 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

Anyone try the bridge? Seems a bit convoluted.

Anything that gets people off Twitter is a good thing. And it means more potential mastodon users later on ;)

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Yeah it works fine. My mastodon account has gained 40 followers from bluesky even though I have a bluesky account too!

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[–] Praxis@yiffit.net 18 points 2 days ago

Damn I sure hope they're gonna pay compensation for all the users they hit

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 43 points 3 days ago (15 children)

Is there anything in Bluesky's design that prevents the company from attracting a critical mass of users and then restricting federation, or cutting it off entirely?

[–] Hubi@feddit.org 37 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

I don't think there are any other Instances aside from the default bsky.social‬ right now. It's only federated in theory and essentially a closed platform until that changes. Pretty sad that it gets all the attention instead of Mastodon.

Mastedon and the Fediverse need to get their shit together and make it easy for hyper casual basic people to use and understand.

Bluesky doesn't have any of that.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

I'm not even sure what the word is to describe that mentality. The closest I think of is "willfully ignorant", but that's not quite it.

Basically people like you are blind to the reason as to why bluesky and not mastodon is getting all the twitter runaways.

And you're blind to it, not because you're incapable of seeing the reasons. You're just unwilling to accept that those reasons ARE the reasons it's happening this way.

Basically the 95% of society don't give a shit about federation. It's not a selling point, it's a scary confusing distraction. Many of them probably went to sign up for mastodon, as they had heard of it......but then they found out:

"There are thousands of mastodons, and if you sign up on one, you can't sign up on the other, and you can only talk to the people on your mastodon......oh, bluesky is just one service. You sign up, and you're done. Oh, it's even asking me if I want to connect with mastodon. So that means I never needed to connect to mastodon! And this one is just like twitter. I know this. The other one is scary. This one is what I like."

And then you come in, correcting every wrong aspect of what they just said. You start using terms like fediverse, and instances, and federate, and they just give you blank stares.

They don't give a shit about that. At all. At allllll. At allllllllllll.

I'm going to include a picture here. I took a picture of my wall while I was watching a hockey game. You'll notice their twitter handles. But those handles are also accessable all across the net. That's how the fediverse should work.

TonyBrownpxp. You'll notice they don't put the X logo in that graphic. They just put the handle, and assume the audience knows what to do. Now, Tony Brown isn't a celebrity. He's a hockey announcer for a Cleveland based AHL hockey team, the Cleveland Monsters. AHL is the farm system for NHL. So this is minor league hockey.

Hardley someone who anyone would instantly know the name Tony Brown. However, if you're watching hockey, and you see the handle @TonyBrownPXP with no other context, as shown in this photo, you know how to contact them.

But, if he were to say, have a mastodon, it would have to be @TonyBrownPXP@mastodon.social

And furthermore, if @TonyBrownPXP@mastodon.world exists, that means you can't just throw @TonyBrownPXP on the screen with a mastodon logo, because which @TonyBrownPXP IS it???

And so now your screenis just FILLED with text, all because handles aren't handled universally on the fediverse. I'm personally signed up for 3 diffeeent fediverse services, all using Lost_My_Mind, but on 3 different instances. What if a 2nd person signs up Lost_My_Mind on a 4th instance? I have no way to prove that's not me. And I don't think anyone gives a shit enough about me to investigate if it WAS me. So anything they say, would in the minds of humans, be assosiated with me.

And while I won't call TonyBrown a celebrity, it's the same for celebrities, and guys like him. He encourages fan interaction during hockey games, and he refuses to call it X. He always says "Send your thoughts or questions to me on twitter, or I guess they call it X now, which is a stupid name, but send your questions to @TonyBrownPXP and we'll address the best ones during game breaks and intermission!"

Says almost the same exact thing, almost word for word, always with the snide diss of twitter, every game.

Now I've never signed up for loops, or pixelfed, or peertube, or a lot of services. But when I signed up for the fediverse, it should have had me pick a username. Lost_My_Mind. Ok, now when I sign up to any service, Lemmy, or Pixelfed, or peertube, or anything else, Lost_My_Mind should be my handle.

And if someone ELSE tries signing up for Pixelfed, on a different instance, they can't use Lost_My_Mind. Even though I don't have a registered pixelfed account. Even though I don't have an account on that other instance.

I'M Lost_My_Mind. Not you on another instance. But that's not how the fediverse works. And because people don't understand, or give a shit about any of that, they just go with what they know.

Right now, we're in the early days of the fediverse. The experience should be centralized, while the underlaying services and protocols should be decentralized. Because right now, the whole thing isn't decentralized. It's fractured.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Basically people like you are blind to the reason as to why bluesky and not mastodon is getting all the twitter runaways.

Bluesky absolutely provides a better, more cohesive and centralised experience than most of the fediverse microblog alternatives.

That's why it's getting more people

But the reason it can do that is because it's centralised, with federation tacked on. And that centralisation means it's most likely going to go through the same cycle of enshittification as twitter, facebook, reddit etc. Twitter was great to use back in the day. Reddit was great to use back in the day. Then they got large captive audiences that couldn't leave because of the network effect, and instead of trying to make the platforms attractive to new people, they started to bleed their existing customers for value at the expense of their user experience, because those people had nowhere else they could easily go.

Bluesky will go down that same path if they get a critical mass of users and stop being the "alternative" to twitter.

Mastodon and the fediverse will always be an alternative at best, because they can't compete with the experience of using a centralised network. But the Fediverse platforms don't suffer from the vulnerability of centralised networks and their path to enshittification. And for me, that's going to keep me here.

The only way I'll move to Bluesky is if they truly embrace decentralisation to the point where the platform/network could exist without them.

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[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 29 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Mastodon is fine, but I burned out on it pretty quick. There's not an intuitive way to find new content on there. I'm sure the content is fine, but Bluesky can get you up and running really quickly.

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[–] Babalugats@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The urge to act like an asshole on another platform is just too much.....

Twitter was a cesspool long before trump, and it was made such by the same people trying to distance themselves from it now.

"Ohh.. I wasn't a cunt on Twitter, I'm one of the people moving away from it".

[–] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Twitter, where the response to “I like Hot Dogs” is “Why do you hate Cheeseburgers????”

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Except on Bluesky you create your own algorithm. You're not rage-baited by an algorithm that exists to "maximise engagement", and although spam bots exist on Bluesky, they have virtually no reach.

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[–] spyd3r@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Such a letdown, I had hoped that with the downfall of Twitter people would finally kick their addictions to vapid trash media.

[–] Makhno@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I had hoped that with the downfall of Twitter people would finally kick their addictions to vapid trash media.

And yet, here you are

[–] Sonor@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] SanndyTheManndy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

And my axe!

[–] slow_server@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)
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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

The amount of artists and creatives I follow on Bluesky aren't vapid trash media.

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Interesting choice for the thumbnail picture. That was pre-butterfly logo. That picture is several months old.

[–] mosscap@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 days ago

The butterfly logo is one of the greatest things about that company, especially after Bad Man #2 decided to kill the beautiful bird logo. What an absolute waste that was.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 22 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I won't be joining in until I can actually run a real instance on my own.

I don't plan on doing that, but the important part is knowing that I could.

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[–] Intergalactic@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (3 children)
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