Do you support, even if only mentally, totalitarian governments that love to act that they are somehow communist/socialist? Like the terrorist state of Russia, China, or North Korea? Then you are indeed a tankie.

It's funny how angry tankies can get when people who are actually leftists call them out. They try to squirm and claim that "they didn't support tanks entering sattelite states when they tried to split off from the USSR" when that's not even necessary to be called a tankie.

If you would rather support a totalitarian government over the freedoms communism and socialism promises to bring, you are not a leftist you claim to be, you are a tankie. But if that term offends people so much, perhaps we can call you a redfash, a red fascist. I don't mind that.

But then again, I am on a .ml community saying this, so I would not be supprised if this get removed lmao

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (37 children)

And if someone supports the American government which is committing a genocide in Gaza right now?

[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How does supporting one genocide stop the other? Who said that I somehow support the US? Who says I am even american, and not someone who personally has to deal with the consequences of tankie horseshit?

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Your definition conveniently exempted America and countries such as Germany or the UK.

[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

There is quite literary no fucking way you could compare these to Ruzzia, China or North Korea. Unless you are completely fucking insane.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That is true. What the west is doing in Palestine is worse.

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[–] Aria@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Straight from the horses' mouth, a tankie is anyone left of Hitler. You're literally calling humans 'orks'. You are a Nazi.

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Do you deny the genocide happening in China or in Ukraine? Then you are a tankie.

Do you believe that claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence? Then you're a tankie.

Some people have this idea that if a claim involves genocide, then it gets to bypass the entire process of investigating a claim, because it's technically "genocide denial," so like if someone said "France is committing genocide against Belgians!" you'd just have to accept it without question. In fact, it's the opposite, more extreme claims require more solid evidence.

Since we're on .ml though, we don't have to deal with such absurd censorship standards, and I'm free to point out the fact that the whole "Uighur genocide" narrative is just unsubstantiated propaganda, coming almost entirely from one crackpot named Adrian Zenz. And at this point it's largely outdated propaganda, since the narrative has largely quietly disappeared from the news after the claims about it couldn't be verified.

You're welcome to prove me wrong though. You know, just show me the bodies. How long has it allegedly been going on at this point? We can see what an ongoing genocide looks like by what's happening in Gaza. Strange how there aren't any similar images coming out of Xinjiang, isn't it?

[–] killingspark@feddit.org 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I mean, you are aware that genocide doesn't have to involve mass-killing of a population, right? Causing them serious bodily or mental harm with the goal of destroying that separate culture, i.e. in reeducation camps can still fulfill that definition.

[–] LemmeAtEm@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (14 children)

Oh, you mean like what the Ukrainian coup government was doing to the people in the east (Donbas) for years before Russia even entered the conflict? Yes, there is a strong argument to be made that genocide is the term we should use with regard to what Ukraine was attempting to do to the Russian-speaking population in their country.

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Has there ever been a genocide in history where no one was killed?

Honestly, if we're going to use such standards and definitions that a "nonviolent genocide" is possible, then I'm not sure I understand what makes such a thing wrong. In Japan, the number of people who believe in and practice Shinto is in decline, and more and more people are paying for Western style weddings, so temples are struggling to keep their doors open. Is that an inherently bad thing? Is that genocide?

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[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

incredible that people can see an actual genocide livestreamed for 13 months on every social media platform available, and STILL think anything comparable to that is happening in China. absolutely mindboggling.

[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Damn, its almost as if China does everything in its power to block the media. As if they had some kind of way to silence their critics who live in China. As if they had some kind of control over their internet and all news sources...

As if this has been going on for a decade now, yet its still not an "actual genocide" for you people. Absolutely mind-boggling.

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

do you think Israel, with one of the most advanced security apparatuses in the world, doesn't also have methods to censor evidence? and yet, all of this evidence still flows. insane, China has 1.4 billion people, all with cell phones, all with access to TikTok and VPNs, and there's not a single picture or video of mass graves or camps or starvation campaigns or religious persecution. is China just uniquely good at censorship? is every Chinese citizen just brainwashed and can't think for themselves?? or are you just repeating cold-war style CIA think-tank talking points about a geopolitical rival because you refuse to investigate for yourself?

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[–] LemmeAtEm@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Summary of this comment: "Do you recognize reality and not believe the ocean of NATO propaganda we're all awash in? Then you're a tankie. Do you reject a bunch of bullshit I made up using fascist-invented terms like "red fash" and "totalitarian"? Then you're a tankie."

Ok, I'm a definitely tankie then. It must suck not to be one and be stuck in these pitiful, childish delusions, and labeling people "orks" and ascribing people who value truth with what you think is an epithet. Some grade A fuckin' cringe right here.

[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't need to add anything, you have so much ruzzian and chinese propaganda up your ass its coming out of your mouth.

Move to ruzzia, China and north korea, don't forget to criticize them the same way you do the "awful west". Hold some protests as well! Im sure that will go well!

[–] LemmeAtEm@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Behold, fellow lemmy browsers: here^ we see the scratched liberal as their mask starts to slip. Not unlike the "UHMUHRICA! Love it er LEAVE it!" style of chud. They have a similar simplistic and deeply uncurious faulty view of the world, a view desperately clung to even when they are shown it is undeniably false, for self reflection is too frightening a concept for them even to consider.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

As somebody who isn't much on social media, I often have to look up slang terms I don't use. It's actually kind of relatable when an explanation doesn't convey the nuances people feel when these terms are just part of normal speech. Also tbh the general idea of mocking people for not knowing things doesn't really seem that cool.

[–] moshtradamus666@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The first time I saw this word being used was here on Lemmy, when I arrived during the reddit exodus. I'm not a native English speaker though.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It was used on Reddit, but not widely. Mostly by insufferable 'enlightened centrists' who didn't want to engage in good faith argument.

It's now a blanket term for "anyone left l politically left of me" used by insufferable liberals who don't want to admit that trying to curry votes from Republicans lost them the election.

For a time it was being used to describe actual Chinese and Soviet sympathisers, but given how quiet that particular group has been after the election, I suspect it was interchangable with state sponsored bot accounts.

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[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

i’ve only ever seen tankies complain about the word “tankie” being over used. i guess us non-tankies just don’t hear it very often.

there’s also this false dichotomy i’ve seen many tankies present where they try to argue that people are either liberals or tankies. it is possible to be a leftist and not support authoritarian governments.

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