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I found it quite impressive that people are capable of this. For me, I have neither energy, nor ability, nor comprehensive knowledge to do so. So, it is always fascinating (and a bit intimidating) to see people writing these all the time. I want to ask how you guys achieve this feat.

Maybe, is it that I am nonverbal so I cannit write coherently?

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[–] wjs018@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I am guilty of writing walls of text as comments, but I try to stick to my lane. You can see my most recent wall of text about freeze dryers as an example. There are a few things that I think need to come together to create a good, high-effort post:

  • Passion - If you don't care, you aren't going to spend the time to write about something
  • Knowledge - For some topics this may be less required, but I tend to create walls of text about technical issues. I have a PhD in physics, so that gives me a pretty good foundation of knowledge to work from in this regard
  • Writing Ability - You need to be able to write effectively to make a wall of text worthwhile. This is a skill that gets better the more you do it.

The other thing I tend to do when writing a high-effort post is I actually proofread it before making it. I try to cut out unneeded tangents, reword things that might be confusing, or supplement things that aren't motivated enough.

For me personally, this doesn't take me too long to do since I have been writing and presenting about extremely technical topics for about two decades at this point. Like I mentioned above, informative writing is a skill that gets better with practice. So, doing it regularly as a significant part of my job as well as providing feedback to others on their writing/presentations, has provided me with tons of practice to improve these things.

If you want some formal guidance on scientific writing/presentations specifically, two books I have found informative (mostly on presentations) have been:

  • The Craft of Scientific Presentations by Michael Alley
  • slide:ology - The Art and Science of Creating Great Presentations by Nancy Duarte
[–] Subtracty@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

I find myself having to delete tangents as well! I feel that my writing begins conversational, with brief asides for nuance or comedy. That style does work well for presentations. But if I am trying to be as concise and informative as possible, I find that I need to trim a lot.

It is an interesting excersice in observing how your brain relays information naturally and how you need to 'translate' that into effective communication with others.

[–] someacnt_@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I see. Maybe learning mathematics have screwed my writing since so much of mathematical literature is simply equations, definitions and propositions. Lots of papers, and even books, are just bad at expositions, in my experience.

[–] wjs018@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

I actually agree with you about math education and math texts. It is really bad at conveying understanding and my math-heavy courses were the toughest for me (E&M in grad school was awful). Too often math textbooks simply present things and leave the proof as an exercise for the reader, or they will lean too far the other way and present formal proofs for everything. Either way is not helpful for developing an intuitive understanding of what is going on.

The things that helped me develop communication skills the most were simply doing it a lot followed by having some good mentors that I found to be good communicators. My grad school advisor was great at communicating physics and one of my early bosses in industry was an excellent presenter. So, I would often bounce either writing or slides off of them for feedback.

[–] Kaiyoto@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Writing essays in high school teaches you how to do this.

[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Over the course of half an hour. With lots of revisions and proofreading. If i'm putting in the effort, I'm putting in all the effort.

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The wall-o-text comments on Lemmy are the worst. No shame at all in not being that person.

[–] arrakark@10291998.xyz 1 points 3 weeks ago

Not the best? I like high effort posts and comments...

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Have you not learned to write essays in school? It's a similar skill.

[–] someacnt_@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It takes hours to write essays for me..

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 1 points 3 weeks ago

Sure, but if we're just talking a paragraph or two, it's a lot quicker than a few pages.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago

You just get started. Its part of the reason I've always preferred either forums or fark/ digg/ reddit/ lemmy style conversations.

Also, writing is a skill. You get better at it with time. Its like how a TV show host can just 'riff' on a topic. I think responding to comments has definitely improved my ability to write in particular style (engaging/ proactive/ enthusiastic, whatever.).

It also helps to be familiar with markdown, as good formatting makes the writing more satisfying.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] 0ops@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

In past, many word impossible, but AI make talk verbose. Shun AI. Talk short.