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Which means they're in a bubble because Nvidia's total assets (85B$) value is less than half of Intel's (205B$). I refuse to believe that the "potential for growth" of Nvidia is worth anywhere close to 120B$ in actual value even in the next 5 years. I see only two things here: either Intel is undervalued, or Nvidia is overvalued. I think it's both. When that bubble bursts it's going to hit very hard for a lot of people because it's the same thing as the other big tech companies (apple google meta etc) are all valued based on predictions and magic when the companies that have an actual intrinsic value are worth less

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 7 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Crazy how quickly NVIDIA went up. I wonder if they'll crash down just as fast should the AI hype either die off or shift to other manufacturers (Intel, AMD etc.) or in-house solutions (ex. Apple Intelligence).

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I just want to get a graphics card for less than the rest of a rig combined... shits ridiculous, and AMD doesn't seem to be even trying to compete anymore

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 3 points 1 hour ago

I'm coping for RDNA4.

[–] daddy32@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Apple is not there yet, its models were strained on Google hardware. Though I am surprised it wasn't Nvidia hardware.

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

What's "Google hardware"? Likely just NVIDIA hardware running in Google's cloud?

[–] daddy32@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

No no, Google does actually have its own custom proprietary AI hardware - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensor_processing_unit

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 2 points 55 minutes ago
[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 71 points 5 hours ago

This is all so normal and sustainable.

[–] toothbrush@lemmy.blahaj.zone 81 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, go on, let NVIDIA buy intel. Let them buy AMD too. What could go wrong. I love monopolies! /s

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I wonder how this guy feels when he watches everyone in the streets trying to make ends meet.

Probably feels he deserves it. :)

[–] Nach@midwest.social 39 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

If this is all Nvidia stock let him try to cash out and see what happens.

[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 13 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

The thing that bothers me when people say "oh its unrealized gains, it's not real money" is that they use those unrealized gains as collateral for loans of real money. They effectively ARE that rich.

[–] Nach@midwest.social 2 points 52 minutes ago

It's BS that you can borrow against it. If he did sell it the valuation would drop.

So how do they pay the loans back if the liquidity isn't there?

[–] NIB@lemmy.world 17 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

You dont need to sell your stocks to access that wealth. You can use that as collateral to take loans or exchange stocks.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

"unrealized gains" that you can somehow live off of indefinitely.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 9 points 3 hours ago

Elons everything comes from having overpriced tesla stock as collateral

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 24 points 6 hours ago

"AI" technologies (in case of complex "universal" models, and not ML for narrow applications) suck for the same reason oil product based technologies suck. And that's not global warming and microplastics. That's power centralization and globalization the wrong way.

Both those enormous datasets and dedicated hardware for them are points of centralization.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

No, he's not. It's only his inflated market value.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 hours ago

He can turn a significant chunk of this value into actual dollars, even without selling the stock. This line of reasoning that execs' worth is not what it seems to be because it's based on share value is constantly used to discount their wealth and argue against acting on wealth inequality.

[–] hedgehog@ttrpg.network 6 points 3 hours ago

Both numbers are based off market value, though