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With representatives like Democrats, who needs oppressors?
There’s a large number of people out there that think “everything sucks right now and there’s a democrat president, so to make things different I should vote republican”
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Fund schools. Keep the department of Education in existence and quadruple its funding.
There's a large number of people out there that thing "even though democrats had a disastrous four years, they will magically fund schools and give everyone a pony when they're back in power."
You don't vote for perfection, you vote the party in you can negotiate with
You can't negotiate with Democrats. This is the great lie of Electoralism.
ultimately, the federal Depart- ment of Education should be eliminated.
Direct Quote from Project 2025
Thanks to schools, I can read and understand that when someone says “we want to eliminate public education” they mean “we want to eliminate public education.”
This alone is enough reason to vote democrat. Eliminating public education means fewer people will be educated enough to know when they’re lied to. I know the democrats are a bunch of shiteating liars but they have enough of a chance to win and they’re not trying to defund school and those two reasons are literally enough to vote for them.
As long as people in US treat voting as the sole way to participate politically thing will continue on the exact same trajectory they are on now.
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You should be against genocide and not vote for genociders.
And since enough dumbasses are actually putting forward enough effort to show there is a frighteningly high backing for a candidate that will prevent any presidential voting in the future, I'm gonna have to break my record and vote for one of the major 2 parties for this election.
One of these 2 WILL WIN THE US ELECTION. There is no pretending that, this close to polling date, that there is any other outcome.
We need to start locally and push harder for reforms from there up. Only one of the 2 party systems will allow this in our future at the moment. This is just the sad and horrible truth we face at the moment.
If we really think the system has failed us and will not let us break free of the 2 party bullshit, well, then we need to be better educated and better organized. We have internet and advanced messaging technology. Our past is riddled with those who made amazing changes and voiced mass public opinion with way less.
Knowledge is power. Protect and enhance the education to really power change.
Only one of the 2 party systems will allow this in our future at the moment
The Dems sued to remove the PSL from the ballot in my state
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If you want people to work from the bottom up to achieve the necessary changes to prevent this country from being genocidal you will rapidly discover that neither the Democratic nor Republican parties can be that vehicle. They are our enemies and work against us, only dithering with cynical PR and pandering to avoid losing without actually needing to deliver on any demands. Unprincipled attempts to enter and change the Democrats on their terms leads to alienation or cooption, e.g. "the squad" supporting Israel or getting destroyes by capital.
Rather than support a genocoder, please do the actual change work. At least then you can see it fail and then do actually useful things against the genocidal empire.
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I agree, but I don’t have that choice right now. The issue of genocide isn’t on the two-party ballot. The issue of public education is. Fewer educated people means fewer people who can even identify genocide when it happens.
“But what good is identifying genocide if you’re not gonna stop it”
HOW THE FUCK CAN I STOP IT?!?!?!?
I agree, but I don’t have that choice right now. The issue of genocide isn’t on the two-party ballot
It's on there at least twice and you have every choice to not put a checkmark there or tell others to do so.
The issue of public education is. Fewer educated people means fewer people who can even identify genocide when it happens.
Lesser evil genociders is not a good argument, though this premise is also false. Dems cut education budgets as well. Blue states with blue districts in blue cities still underfunded and are at the forefront of charter school "experiments".
You cannot absolve support for genocide. You get no excuses. You should feel bad for even trying to make them.
HOW THE FUCK CAN I STOP IT?!?!?!?
The first step is to stop supporting it. The next step is to become educated in how the system works. The next step, which you can do simultaneously, is to join and participate in organizations with these same lines: no support for the genocidal capitalist parties, solidarity with Palestine.
You talked about education. You need some yourself but the primary work is in organizing, which includes teaching others. Instead of trying to justify supporting genociders you should be working against them. Stop pretending you have no agency and there is nothing to do.
I do not feel good about voting for genociders. I feel fucking awful about it. But I know with absolute certainty that a democrat or a republican is going to be elected president, and yes democrats also defund schools but I’d way rather not have to start from square zero four years from now.
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The thing that I think really makes it obvious that your thinking here is completely defective is that you don't even bring up the question "are you in a swing state?" I'm in a deep-blue state, why the fuck, even by your broken logic, should I vote for Kamala? She'll win my whole state anyway, so all I'm doing is helping to legitimize her if I vote for her, not do a single thing to keep Orange Man out.
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Hell yeah!
I never had kids, never wanted kids. Have always pushed for education. As a stoner, was crazy excited about talk of legalization and taxes going to schools when the idea was first floated around by us. Happily. Hell yes.
Just openly admitting you support genocide. Disgusting. And don't even pretend you care about anyone represented in the bottom half of the image; if Democrats said murdering trans folks was necessary to beat Trump, you'd support that too.
If Democrats said murdering trans folks was necessary to beat Trump that means the overton window is too far gone and I'd be looking to ship as many trans folks out of the country as I could manage with my means. If and when it reaches that point, US democracy would be too far gone to even consider saving it. I don't believe it is right now, as flawed as it is currently. Which is why engaging in harm reduction is still worth it.
Maybe if any of you harm reducing fools grew a backbone and had some principles on who you'll vote for we wouldn't have to think about when that will happen in the US. Watching the Dems slide further and further right while saying they're better than Republicans is not helping anyone, especially future Americans
US democracy would be too far gone to even consider saving it.
Always has been
So you believe murdering Palestinians is okay, then, if we aren't "too far gone" yet.
Harm reduction for me (Imperial Core citizen) but not for thee (2+ million Palestinian men, women and children).
Let's pretend for a second that voting blue would stop the slaughter at "just" the Palestinians (it doesn't).
If you think you're knowingly sacrificing an entire people to annihilation just so save your own skin, and you can not only live with that but argue in favor of it instead of redacting your entire government, you're a fucking nazi. Peddle your them-or-us genocide support somewhere else you blue maga piece of shit.
redacting your entire government
And this right here is why I can't take you seriously. You realize the US government is the most militarily powerful institution on Earth, right? Even disregarding government opposition to your revolution of the status quo, you realize every far-righter is armed to the teeth and fantacizes daily about murdering you and your comrades, right? How are you gonna oppose that? Who will be your allies? Fascist Putin's Russia, who straight up wants Trump to win so he can enact his expansionist policies unopposed?
While you're there LARPing as a revolutionary, millions of lives are at stake. Sure, the democrats also put millions of lives at stake, I'm well aware of it, but it's not about them being perfect, it's about harm reduction and starting from the best possible position for going forward with your goals, which I guarantee is not with Trump in power.
There was a nazipost here
It's gone now
Amerikkkan lives mean nothing to me if those lives support genocide. I welcome the harm that will befall genocide-collaborating settlers.
Fun fact: The United States actually has more than 2 parties
The More You Know
Oh, please tell me which third party candidate not only has a real shot at this election but is also not just a far-right grifter in disguise.
Pretty much all but the libertarian party. Turns out if enough people vote for a candidate they get elected. Weird huh?
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You can fight the trolley itself instead of justifying supporting genocide.
PS this is the real world not a meme. Political power is not a trolley problem, it is a matter of organization and education. You disempower yourself and others by pretending you can only backseat cheerlead a genocide. Instead of supporting this, go and join an organization that is actually opposing it and start doing work.
In the US, every student is eventually presented with lessons on the Holocaust and asked to think about what they would do. Right now, to be honest, your answer would have to be, "support it using poorly thought out propaganda".
Very long way of saying you're looking forward to trump being in power again and forever taking away your right to vote.
My comment already contradicts your response, even with its inventions. Please try to address what I say rather than making things up.
You said to Organize and admit a genocide is occurring, while not letting yourself be convinced that voting is the only course of action.
I'm saying that's awesome but what do we do when trump gets elected because no one wants to vote now?
You said to Organize and admit a genocide is occurring, while not letting yourself be convinced that voting is the only course of action.
Of course voting is not the only course of action. Voting is incredibly little. What, you check a box? Maybe wait a few hours at most to get into a pilling station? Dear God.
This is an incredibly limited amount of political action, particularly given the way in which box checking translates into any political action (electoral college, media monopolies, biased education, wage slavery limiting political education, campaigns built on donations from capital).
I'm saying that's awesome but what do we do when trump gets elected because no one wants to vote now?
You actually do political work. You become educated and join an organization that does more than act as a sheepdog that turns alienatuon into genocide votes.
And in the end Trump wins the vote and you lose your oppurtunity to do any real politcal work! Congrats.
Trump was already president once and my political work was actually easier because liberals were outraged and could not understand the complicoty of their representatives. Their representatives merely reflect the cynical apathy of their position that is shielded when they are in power.
If Trump were an existential threat would you just be sitting around posting bad logic? You know he is just an incremental partial detriment in some ways and some vague miasma in other ways. Biden is, for example, a much more coherent genocidal Zionist, as is Harris.
Rather than quibble about how to appease one's inner Eichmann, why not fight against it?
Trump was already president once and my political work was actually easier because liberals were outraged and could not understand the complicoty of their representatives.
Hope you can look trans and queer people in the eye and tell them their genocide will be worth it in the end because you'll stop all genocides. You know, after they're dead and gone.
This is the most nothing-burger reply. Queer people are among the most vocally supportive of moving outside the bounds of electoralism because the DNC does not protect them.
Hey look you did the meme of this post.
I organize with trans communists all the time and materially support trans spaces. There is no lack of trans people that oppose both capitalist parties. But more importantly, if you are to avoid tokenizing people, you must have an actual analysis for liberation and not a monolithic "this is what trans people want" stereotyping. The latter is always incorrect and never actually happens because trans people are not a monolith. The former just means you understand this and know which trans people you disagree with. For example, I disagree with assimilationists that support genocidal Democrats and try to pretend liberation comes at the expense of others.
Hey, as a trans person involved in a socialist org, get involved in a socialist org instead of arguing for your own catharsis.
Trans genocide is happening in plenty of states even with a democrat in charge, democrats will not prevent trans genocide on a long term basis.
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Very short way of saying you will never lift a finger other than to vote even if Trump takes away your right to vote.
Absolutely. But you should also flip that switch real quick before getting to work fighting it. Just in case.
No, you shouldn't, because this is the real world and not a trolley problem. Providing electoral support to genociders helps to entrench them and these discussions have the wrong framing when it comes to how political power works. I already mentioned this. Did you read my comment?
Yes you absolutely should. If you can effortlessly vote for the lesser evil in a way that doesn't take anything away from the other fight, just do it real quick. Any argument to the contrary is accelerationism.
If you are an accelerationist, then get bent, you're wrong.
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Time to sieze the trolley and build new tracks.
A more accurate picture would have all of the people on the republican track on the democrat track too, just covered with a tarp to conceal their real aims.
Also, tha US flag shouldn't be on either track since neither of the two right wings of the capitalist party would dare throw away the empire that furthers their and their masters' (the capitalist class) interests.
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