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By Jeremy Hsu on September 24, 2024


Popular smart TV models made by Samsung and LG can take multiple snapshots of what you are watching every second – even when they are being used as external displays for your laptop or video game console.

Smart TV manufacturers use these frequent screenshots, as well as audio recordings, in their automatic content recognition systems, which track viewing habits in order to target people with specific advertising. But researchers showed this tracking by some of the world’s most popular smart TV brands – Samsung TVs can take screenshots every 500 milliseconds and LG TVs every 10 milliseconds – can occur when people least expect it.

“When a user connects their laptop via HDMI just to browse stuff on their laptop on a bigger screen by using the TV as a ‘dumb’ display, they are unsuspecting of their activity being screenshotted,” says Yash Vekaria at the University of California, Davis. Samsung and LG did not respond to a request for comment.

Vekaria and his colleagues connected smart TVs from Samsung and LG to their own computer server. Their server, which was equipped with software for analysing network traffic, acted as a middleman to see what visual snapshots or audio data the TVs were uploading.

They found the smart TVs did not appear to upload any screenshots or audio data when streaming from Netflix or other third-party apps, mirroring YouTube content streamed on a separate phone or laptop or when sitting idle. But the smart TVs did upload snapshots when showing broadcasts from the TV antenna or content from an HDMI-connected device.

The researchers also discovered country-specific differences when users streamed the free ad-supported TV channel provided by Samsung or LG platforms. Such user activities were uploaded when the TV was operating in the US but not in the UK.

By recording user activity even when it’s coming from connected laptops, smart TVs might capture sensitive data, says Vekaria. For example, it might record if people are browsing for baby products or other personal items.

Customers can opt out of such tracking for Samsung and LG TVs. But the process requires customers to either enable or disable between six and 11 different options in the TV settings.

“This is the sort of privacy-intrusive technology that should require people to opt into sharing their data with clear language explaining exactly what they’re agreeing to, not baked into initial setup agreements that people tend to speed through,” says Thorin Klosowski at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a digital privacy non-profit based in California.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2449198-smart-tvs-take-snapshots-of-what-you-watch-multiple-times-per-second/ (paywall!!)

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[–] Badland9085@lemm.ee 22 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Imagine the amount of bandwidth and energy saved, if they didn’t do any of this bullshit.

They are essentially using someone else’s money to get themselves more money. Fuck these people!

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[–] Slovene@feddit.nl 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

THIS is piracy. Along with all the other personal data selling.

[–] stefenauris@pawb.social 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No wonder these things operate slow as shit!

[–] olympicyes@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I had an issue with my 2016 Samsung TV where the interface slowed to a crawl and as soon as I disconnected the Ethernet cord it became responsive. I called Samsung customer service and they were able to reset my TV to factory settings without what I considered to be an adequate amount of authorization. I disconnected the TV again and banned it from my network and went with Apple TV.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

LOL "if it was opt-in, no one would do it!"

no fucking shit. there is nothing worth watching that i would buy a smart tv for

[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

One issue that has come up recently in discussions on here is that it's hard to get dumb TVs or computer monitors in large format in 2024.

Not impossible, but surprisingly difficult. I went looking for a large computer monitor for some user who wanted a large one. I eventually found an older one on Amazon still for sale, but it's not that easy to get large computer monitors, which I think is part of what drives people to use smart TVs as computer monitors.

You can get projectors, but that's not what everyone's after.

[–] Fermion@feddit.nl 2 points 4 months ago (11 children)

A smart tv without an internet connection is usually close enough to a dumb TV. It's not like your TV needs regular security updates so leaving it off your home network is fine.

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[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

awful ethics aside what a disgusting waste of processing power. software already barely runs

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (7 children)

These are criminal violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. Jail the motherfucking felon CEOs!

[–] billbasher@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So LG and Samsung likely have tons of illegal (copyright) content on their servers then? Ownership is 9/10ths of the law so they say. That’s gotta be exabytes

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[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Would be nice if we could have some technological privacy laws written in this century.

[–] ruk_n_rul@monyet.cc 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

We need all the boomers in Capitol Senior Care Home to vacate first

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[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Theoretically I could display highly illegal stuff and they would distribute it making them complicit?

Can the API be hacked to flood their servers with petabytes of cat pictures?

What is happening with the data? Where are the data savers?

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[–] Branny@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not if you never connect your smart TV to the internet to complete the setup and instead use it as a dumb display (I hope)

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Certain brands automatically connect themselves to open wifis I think so there is that to consider as well.

[–] cloud_herder@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I remember hearing that some may even have LTE to fallback to.

[–] Branny@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

Damn, I can rule out open hotspots, but wouldn’t know where to start checking for LTE (a Faraday cage comes to mind…)

[–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 8 points 4 months ago

They collect all this data and then still cancel the most watched/best shows.

Morons.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 points 4 months ago (11 children)

Actual paper here.

https://arxiv.org/html/2409.06203v1

It is not sending full screenshots as anybody technical would already have guessed. It's a few KB over an hour, so it's content recognition hashes.

Opt out anyway. Their study shows the opt out option does indeed opt you out of it.

[–] prototype_g2@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

This kinda stuff should be opt-IN, not opt-OUT. Just think of how many people don't even know this is happening, or that there even is an opt-out.

[–] Starbuncle@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

This shouldn't be opt-out. This is the digital equivalent of some fucking pervert showing up at your window and taking pictures of your TV and then letting a bunch of other perverts pay to find out what you were watching so they can use that info to manipulate you, multiplied by however many millions of TVs they've sold. Even if the punishment for that crime was just a single week in jail, the people responsible should be facing several ~~hundred~~thousand years behind bars when you add it all up.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 4 months ago

It shouldn't be opt in or out tbh. This shit should just be illegal.

The whole adverspying industry needs to be reined the fuck in and slowly turned to mulch.

The first step to that is letting us see what the advertiser has in our hidden "profiles" and let us modify and/or wipe them out.

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[–] SuperFola@programming.dev 6 points 4 months ago (5 children)

So they are allowed to pirate content actually? Even if it’s not Netflix or YouTube they take screenshots of potentially copyrighted content

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[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ig it's time to buy a regular tv then

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

My pi-hole was getting hammered by an LG smart TV.(Phrasing)

That TV no longer gets internet privileges and I definitely won't be buying an LG again. I strayed from Sony and regretted it across the board.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (4 children)

My pi-hole blocks SO MUCH traffic from my Rokus. Never buying another Roku again.

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[–] InternetPerson@lemmings.world 5 points 4 months ago (11 children)

For example, it might record if people are browsing for baby products or other personal items.

Don't mind baby products and dildos or whatever.

They could see bank activity and even login credentials when someone is temporarily displaying their own passwords.

This basically ignores all security measures regarding everything. Sensitive communication, company secrets and so on.

That's fucking seriously huge. What the fuck?!

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I've said it before and I'll say it again, corporations treat you like a product. Whether you buy something from them or not. People are becoming the product that they sell.

I usually don't care very much until it starts to affect pricing for stuff based on some algorithms impression of how desperate you are. That algorithm started with travel (airlines, online booking fees for hotels and stuff) and has expanded.

If I need a new computer because mine isn't working, I don't really care that advertisers come at me with ads for their computer products. I need one, they want me to buy one, it's marketing. No worries.

If I need a new computer and suddenly all the prices for new systems goes up by $100 because it thinks I'm desperate enough to pay that, now I have a problem.

I still don't like them selling my data, and I'll do what I can to avoid it, but marketing is going to do marketing things.

[–] hume_lemmy@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The problem is, you don't get a say in the matter. If the marketing company sells on your data, you don't get to say no.

If Ford wants telemetry on your car (and they do) and they sell it to your insurance company who raises your rates because you don't drive in a manner approved by corporate, you don't get to say no.

If you search for wigs and antinausea meds, and Google sells that to health insurance who guesses you've got cancer and are a financial liability, you don't get to say no, and you don't get to argue that you were planning for a party.

If you're a fifteen year old kid and your browser starts showing gay dating ads to your extremely homophobic parents, you'd better hope they don't put it together because you don't get to stop any of it.

You can control how your data is gathered, but you have ZERO say in how it's distributed and interpreted.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago

I agree. And that's problematic. Each company will have different policies, so it's important to know what companies do with your data, at least for the subset of companies that you actually use.

[–] Drunemeton@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (39 children)

Okay. So how do we turn it off!? I’ve read nothing in my Samsung manuals about this “feature” and here no instructions for turning it off.

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[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago (5 children)
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[–] francisfordpoopola@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Installed pi-hole this week. Number one blocked domain with 1600 queries.... Scribe.logs.roku.com.

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[–] oce@jlai.lu 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

“When a user connects their laptop via HDMI just to browse stuff on their laptop on a bigger screen by using the TV as a ‘dumb’ display, they are unsuspecting of their activity being screenshotted,”

But if you never connected the TV to the internet, it's not able to upload anything right?

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[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (11 children)

Yeah. My Samsung claws my firewall like a squirrel trapped in a box. It intensifies on certain hours of the day. I'm quite sure it also tries to send what devices are connected and what filenames are in attached memory sticks. Maybe also some media file checksums.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 4 months ago

The only sensible way to operate these TVs is with no internet connection. We run our entertainment through an AppleTV. If that ever starts showing ads at rest, I’ll replace it with a Mac mini or a NUC. Fuck these companies and their race to the bottom.

[–] dan@upvote.au 2 points 4 months ago (10 children)

Don't let your TV connect to the internet. I have mine on my wifi so I can control them using Home Assistant, but they're on an isolated VLAN with no internet access.

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[–] grainOfSalt@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago
[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Never connect your tv to the internet.

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[–] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 4 months ago (17 children)

Something doesn't add up. How can a TV take 100 Screenshots of 4k content per second? No wifi has that bandwidth. No embedded processor has that capacity.

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