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Docker Raises Prices Up to 80 Percent | ServeTheHome (www.servethehome.com)
submitted 5 months ago by Sunny@slrpnk.net to c/technology@lemmy.world
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[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Folks, the docker runtime is open source, and not even the only one of its kind. They won't charge for that. If they tried to make it closed source, everyone would just laugh and switch to one of several completely free alternatives. They charge for hosting images, build time on their build servers, and various "premium" developer tools you don't need. In fact, you need none of this, you can do all of it yourself on whatever hardware you deem to be good enough. There are also many other hosted alternatives out there.

Docker thinks they have a monopoly, for some reason. If you use the technology, you are probably already aware that they don't.

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[–] KellysNokia@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Wait...y'all were paying for Docker?

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[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

Enshitification is a very, very real thing. GitLab did something similar with raising pricing by 5x a few years back.

[–] RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I thought docker was FOSS? What exactly are they charging you for?

[–] AreaKode@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Support. If your a business, you pay to keep uptime high. This is unnecessary for most people.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you're a business and need uptime you shouldn't be using Docker Desktop in the first place

[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You would be amazed

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Not amazed, just depressed.

[–] thorisalaptop@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Docker Engine (which is the core of what people think of as “Docker”) is FOSS. Docker Desktop (which most people rely on for local development) is free for individuals but I believe the license says companies over a certain size are required to pay.

And on top of that the paid plans also come with support, which large businesses frequently require, and private repositories on docker’s image repository.

[–] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Glad I run everything in a VM. If you want my money you can accept donations, and sell support contracts.

The moment you hide features or code behind a paywall or proprietary license, is the moment you no longer get my fucking money.

Granted random weirdos who donate to FLOSS projects probably weren't paying dockers bill anywho.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This is the correct response.

At my job we've been asked to remove Docker desktop unless it is absolutely necessary for a client project.

I've just been using Docker through command line via WSL and that's good enough for me.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't see any use for Docker Desktop, you can see the running containers in a gui instead of just typing docker ps in a terminal, damn what a fucking awesome and needed thing, it's gonna totally come in handy when I do deployments through the terminal and I didn't learn the commands

[–] UnsavoryMollusk@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Especially when your ide/editor has a plug-in that does the sane thing than docker desktop anyways

[–] squidspinachfootball@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm in the process of learning docker, can you share what that is? That sounds very helpful.

[–] UnsavoryMollusk@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

In VSCodium you have the docker plugin. It pretty much offers the same capabilities as the Docker desktop (view containers, images, etc. Allow to connect to the containers, to see their files, etc).

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[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I am baffled as to why people want a GUI for Docker, of all things

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[–] rombert@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ability to pull more images from Docker Hub.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Are you sure about that? I dunno if that's correct.

[–] rombert@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes, in the sense that if you are a free user or unauthenticated and pull too often (including checking if a tag exists) you will get rate limited and have to wait or pay.

[–] kobra@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago

Can confirm. Spent a bunch of time a few weeks ago setting up ECR pull through cache in AWS to alleviate this very issue.

[–] ExperiencedWinter@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Anyone looking for a free drop in replacement, I've been using Rancher Desktop without any issues https://rancherdesktop.io/

[–] Rade0nfighter@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

How does the image scanning compare to docker scout? (Or whatever the docket desktop one is called).

[–] lostinasea@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I've been using podman desktop (https://podman-desktop.io/) which is also free. I've never heard of rancher desktop so I'll have to give that a look!

[–] SirAramis@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I second Podman. I’ve been using it recently and find it to be pretty good!

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

I am getting into Podman but I cannot force my firewall to respect it for some reason.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Rancher is owned by Suse, which is mainly a solid steward in the community.

They also have k8 frontend called Harvestor. It can run VMs directly, which is nice.

[–] Scribbd@feddit.nl 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well, there is this one thing: they asked OpenSuse to drop the Suse branding...

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Which is fair. Fedora never called itself red hat. CentOS never called itself red hat.

Suse is a pretty good company and deserves the right to their intellectual property and trademarks. OpenSuse shouldn't make a big deal out of simply changing their name.

They could rename themselves to OpenSusame and keep rolling without any issues whatsoever.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago

Of course, but I still think it is not very smart from SUSE, since I bet many companies got into SUSE because coworkers had very good experiences with OpenSUSE.

I, at least, if my company would need corporate Linux, would recommend SUSE to my company because of that reason.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

So does this setup like a one-node kubernetes cluster on your local machine or something? I didn't know that was possible.

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[–] Shimitar@feddit.it 0 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Podman guys... Podman All the way...

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[–] Banichan@dormi.zone 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure "professionals" can afford $4

[–] Kushan@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Our 200 developers all switched from docker desktop to rancher after Docker tried to jack up the price about a year and a half ago, along with a bunch of legal threats. Their attitude was so piss poor, we went from debating paying the higher fees to just fucking them off entirely.

I will pay $4 per user to NOT use Docker.

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[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Is this the program that open source people use to install all the random depencies that their program needs to work? The one that people tell me to use when I complain about git bash pico sudo pytorch Install commands?

Or did another company copy their name?

[–] gsfraley@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I mean, they're one implementor of about 10 that provide the same container standard. It sucks that they were first so their name is now synonymous with containers a la Kleenex, but the technology itself is standard, very open and ubiquitous, and a huge step forward in simplifying deployments that would otherwise be too complex to reasonably handle.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago

To be fair, I used LXC before Docker, so I've always called them "containers." But I guess I'm old or something.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nope. Docker doesn't do that. That's something else.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago

But it does in a lot of cases. At work, we use Docker images to bundle our dependencies for each microservice, and at home, I use Docker images for the same reason on my self-hosted repos. It's fantastic for running servers in a sandbox so you don't have to worry about what dependencies the host has.

But perhaps OP is talking about flatpaks instead.

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[–] heavy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Oh shit, what would I do without..... Scout Analysis?

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[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh. This is /technology. I thought pants were about to go way up in price for a second.

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[–] beerclue@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Are You guys really pulling more than 40 images per hour? Isn't the free one enough?

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Even at work we don't pull that many, and we have dozens of developers.

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[–] aniki@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 5 months ago

We just build from scratch and pull nothing

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