I like Proton Mail. It does have a free tier, but the paid tier is pricier than you suggested in your post.
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The free tier is only 500mb, but I've been using it as my primary email for a year and with spam management I'm only at 100mb.
You wrote that 500mb is too small tho. 500mb are enough for me as well for mails.
If I wasn't deleting unnecessary emails, that would run out in about 24 months.
Well, it's always a good idea to delete unnecessary mails and junk mails
Absolutely can’t recommend the entire proton suite enough. I use mail and drive daily, vpn when needed, and just waiting on calendar and contacts to be developed out a little more.
I came here to recommend proton, the default quota is too small at 500mb, but if you manage spam etc it's a good app/platform.
I hope they offer an entry plan like with Google One at A$2.50.
Why do you need a mobile app? It's just email, all IMAP clients should work.
I have a mailbox address since years, never use the webui for checking mails, only for changing some settings, I access my mails with Thunderbird on desktop, Fairemail on Android. Both apps have builtin PGP, so you shouldn't care what the provider supports.
The spam filter in mailbox is glorious, never got a spam there.
Well imap isn't encrypted, right? That's why one can or rather needs to run a software with proton called proton bridge to get imap locally
Yes, but for me standards are more important than encryption. I can encrypt mails with pgp, than they are end to end encrypted, imap doesn't matter. I considered proton when I switched to mailbox, but usually I don't send encrypted mails, because the reciepents cant read them, so I wouldn't use the pros of proton.
How come that the recipients can't read them?
If I send some proton encrypted email to a random gmail address what happens? On gmail side it's not encrypted. So what's the point for encrypting something only on one side? For PGP afaik we have to get the public key of the recipient so it requires some setup on both sides before the first mail. I wanted to say, usually I don't send emails like this,I send them to mortals, who would freak out if I would start to speak about things like this.
Once I setup pgp in thunderbird, but I never had the incentive to setup again after a reinstall, because I never used it (I still have my keys saved though). For encrypted communication about important topics I use Signal, and I could convince my most important friends to install it.
You have two ways. Either the person made there public key available or you set a password for your mail that only you and the receipient know (you may want to forward a mail and share the password via Signal).
Yeah I'm also mostly using Signal but at least Proton provides an easy ux/ui to encrypt mails.
Thank you. If I have not confused the different email proveiders, with mailbox encryption in transit is always active, while it needs to be activated while at rest. I do not understand why someone would not want their emails to be encrypted even at rest, by the way.
Came here to say tutanota and protonmail. Guess I will leave now...
I second proton mail. Totally satisfied and really like their calender.
I'm using fastmail.com as my email provider in the USA. They're a small company based out of Australia with global servers. They pride themselves on privacy and security. Been using them for several years now. They're not the cheapest game in town, but they have an impressive feature set. They actually host a domain and web site for me that's included with my mid-tier account fees. I have zero complaints with them.
Even paid accounts with companies like Microsoft, Google, and Yahoo do not guarantee privacy. Yahoo has been known to scan email content for targeted advertising. Discovering that is what actually motivated me to use a paid service.
I also use 1password and there’s an easy “create masked email” feature where a fastmail marked email is set as the email for a new 1password login… love it!
Protonmail and/or Tutanota, both fit my current needs and works fine for me.
You can selfhost your own mailserver and you have full control over the data.
I've heard this is becoming increasingly difficult to actually accomplish
If you have your own domain, give it a shot. If it gives you problems, point your DNS to some other solution.
I have some tech skill and this option looked flat out daunting to me. Then when considering the cost of domain, it looked more expensive than choosing a mail service.
Does anyone know a good guide for own mail server, including getting cheap enough domain?
10€/year domains are the standard. There are some alternatives like Hostinger which have "free" ones. Managing domain settings can be a pain in the ass a lot of the time. I personally use Cloudflare to manage my DNS settings for ease of use, tho I've heard tgere are privacy concerns with using Cloudflare.
As for the guide, here's one from ChatGPT:
Certainly! Here's a step-by-step guide to setting up a self-hosted and secure email service using Docker containers:
Step 1: Set up a server
- Choose a server provider or use your own hardware to set up a server with a reliable internet connection.
- Install a Linux distribution of your choice (e.g., Ubuntu, Debian) on the server.
Step 2: Install Docker and Docker Compose
- Follow the official Docker documentation to install Docker on your server.
- Install Docker Compose, which will simplify the management of multiple Docker containers.
Step 3: Acquire a domain name
- Register a domain name from a domain registrar of your choice (e.g., Namecheap, GoDaddy).
- Configure the domain's DNS records to point to your server's IP address.
Step 4: Obtain an SSL certificate
- Use Let's Encrypt to obtain a free SSL certificate for your domain.
- Follow their documentation to set up Certbot and generate an SSL certificate.
Step 5: Configure DNS records
- Set up the necessary DNS records for your email service:
- Create an MX record that points to your server's domain.
- Create an SPF record to verify your server's authenticity.
- Add DKIM and DMARC records for additional security (optional but recommended).
Step 6: Set up and configure mail server containers
- Choose a mail server software to run in Docker (e.g., Postfix, Dovecot).
- Create a
docker-compose.ymlfile to define the containers and their configurations. - Configure the mail server containers with appropriate settings, such as domain name, SSL certificate, and mail storage location.
Step 7: Start the containers
- Run the
docker-compose up -dcommand to start the containers in detached mode. - Verify that the containers are running without any errors by checking the logs.
Step 8: Test the email service
- Create an email account using the chosen mail server's administration tools.
- Configure an email client (e.g., Thunderbird, Outlook) to connect to your server using the provided credentials.
- Send and receive test emails to ensure the service is working correctly.
Step 9: Implement additional security measures
- Configure firewall rules on your server to allow only necessary ports (e.g., 25 for SMTP, 143 for IMAP).
- Regularly update the Docker images and containers to ensure you have the latest security patches.
- Consider enabling additional security features like fail2ban to protect against brute-force attacks.
It's important to note that setting up a secure email service requires a good understanding of server administration and email protocols. It's recommended to consult official documentation and seek professional assistance if needed to ensure proper configuration and security.
You could use docker images and one of the following solutions:
Find more here: https://github.com/topics/mailserver
https://mailinabox.email or https://mailcow.email for the server. And then Porkbun.com usually have some domains on sale for a dollar or two.
Why the need for a specific mobile app for Mailbox? I use Mailbox in combination with FariEmail app on Android. It even supports PGP. Couldn't be happier.
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I use posteo.net for 10 years now, and I am super happy with them. I don't get spam, and I have never missed an email.
They choose not to use a spam folder system, and I understand their reasoning, and agree with them.
They sometimes get criticized for some other decision (something to do with certificates, if I remember correctly), but after reading their reasoning, I agree with them.
In my experience, they have now real downside, and I recommend them to everyone I know when they come to me with email problems.
Keep in mind posteo.net does not have DMARC which means anyone can spoof an email @posteo domain.
All of the other providers have this. Mailing lists can be used with DMARC.
Thank you for pointing this out. I am no way expert but trying to study and understand. I then found other negative comments regarding the lack of DMARC, while on posteo website they say: "We have a DMARC "none" policy for Posteo email domain names, since DMARC is currently not recommended for mailbox providers. Outbound DMARC policies are primarily "best-suited for transactional emails and semi-transactional emails" (dmarc-org FAQ). At the present, DMARC has implications which do not meet customers' individual use of email." link
The dmarc-org FAQ is interesting too. I understand that Posteo publishes thier DMARC record, if I am not wrong
I would appreciate your opinion, you seem competent! Thank you
I'm currently using skiff, I don't know if it suits you or not.
- Modern Interface
- E2EE
- Aliases available (can send messages using aliases)
- 10gb of storage
- Has a mobile application
I know that feeling i also tried most , iam atm with Proton mail for secure stuff and Microsoft email for general but the spam protection on microsoft Absolutely SUCKS.
searching too a paid provider.
PGP is great. If you learn how to use it on your own device, it doesn't matter what host you use. If you post your OS, I'll can point you to instructions on setting it up locally.
You're never going to get the bulk of senders (library, town council, your aging parents) to encrypt their mail to you. Can you make peace with that?
It is important to find a host that has a funding model based on subscriptions instead of monetizing users.
My recommendation is find a host with a good subscription model and in a county that respects user privacy. I like KolabNow in Switzerland.
Thank you. I had come across KolabNow, I will look into it again. I have never used PGP and it does not seem a smooth mechanism to me, as I am used to encrypt emails with password. Maybe I am wrong ... PS: I am onWindows
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i have found this to be a useful comparison. they stress that the results are not necessarily in order - but everyone has their own desires, and it's easy to hold them up against this summary
Still haven't found the perfect email service provider but Mailfence has worked for me. It's easy to set it up with a mail client or use PWA, and I feel its calendar function is overall more robust than the competitors. Service and troubleshooting has also been timely and good for me. Not the most user friendly but best balance of everything in my opinion.
Not specifically privacy focused, but i've been super happy with https://purelymail.com.
I'm sure it isn't at the level of proton or the like, but it works well and cheap.
I've switched to protonmail and I'm happy with the free plan for mail
I use both Tutanota and Protonmail and love both. Protonmail is based out of Switzerland where Tutanota is based out of Germany. Germany is part of fourteen eyes so I give the win to Proton there. Tutanota has lower prices. Tutanota has apps available in App Image and Flatpak for Linux where Proton is only in the AUR and as a .deb. Tutanota has an Android app on F-Droid where Protonmail you have to navigate their site to find a standalone apk. Both are on the Fediverse but Proton did leave for a while where Tutanota stayed and was more active. Overall either would be a much better otpion than Hotmail/Gmail/etc.
I used this guide when setting up my self hosted email: https://workaround.org/ispmail/buster/big-picture/
I also added in Ciphermail for email encryption and it's been almost hands off ever since.
Granted, there were quite a few things to digest until things were working as I wanted.
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