Then. Just. Fucking. LEAVE!

Yeah, even Putin knows this. But now it's about making Ukraine bleed as much as possible for the insolence of resisting russia. The cruelty is the point.

RT was banned first day of the war due to links to the kremlin and propaganda. Wouldn't want people influenced by propaganda, of course! This is the west! We're free thinkers! Now let me see how the war is going in the non-biased Kyiv Post.

this thread is wild

can we remember, everyone:

1. discussion on who is winning has no bearing on discussion of who is in the right, and vice versa

2. Russia, Ukraine, and NATO can all be evil and wrong for separate and true reasons

3. criticizing NATO does not amount to supporting Putin

4. criticizing Putin does not amount to supporting NATO

Imagine linking kyivpost as if it's a credible source. Might as well link an article from Weekly World News next.

edit: I love how downvotes immediately come in when you point out the obvious, as long as the article says what people want to hear they all of a sudden stop caring about credible sources

I think many people are forgetting that the larger army, vastly outnumbering Ukrainian resources in numbers, has not won a victory since the beginning of the invasion. And only presents a problem because the 2 countries cannot reliably use air power to overcome 1st WW trench warfare. Russia has defenses, but no ability to move forward. They are just trying to hold on to what they took in those first few months and are very slowly failing at that. If Ukraine can keep going, supported by the West, Russia will lose. I do not think Russia will use nukes -- any use of a nuke is basically on Russia's own land -- according to them -- and will affect them as much as Ukraine. But the question of ending the war is an interesting one. Do we see Russia continuing the war if they lose most of their ill-gotten territorial gains? What happens to those insecure areas? Are people going to rebuild, i.e. invest scarce resources in unstable areas? Or will they just become dead zones, DMZ borders?

It is a proxy war against America. You don't win those. You just set yourself up a good position and dig in. America gets bored and leaves and then you can pick over what is left of what was destroyed. So you don't win, you just wait for America to forfeit.

What do you mean, the Ghost of Kiev repelled the invasion

The entire world (with a few exceptions) is fighting a proxy war against Russia via Ukraine. Of course you can't win, that's the whole idea.

If you want to know what the smartest guy in the US military thinks, read this

(Assuming, of course, that you don't consider the Marine Corps Gazette to be Russian propaganda)

Ukraine is on its fourth army, which has been badly mauled in a counterattack lasting two months with gains measured in single digit miles and casualties in the tens of thousands.

This is who they were sending to the front in APRIL LAST YEAR

Old men and boys

But at least Russia's out of missiles!

The Russian commander of the “Vostok” Battalion fighting in southern Ukraine said on Thursday that Ukraine will not be defeated and suggested that Russia freeze the war along current frontlines.

"Freezing the war along the current frontlines" is victory for Russia?? They already control all the territory they claim. I guess at this point Ukraine is starting to define winning as mere survival.

It's really over this time!