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All this does is make me more interested in "pirating" their infinitely copyable material. More to the point it's making my interest in financially supporting them drop to zero if not lower.
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With Usenet, Plex* (Streaming Server), Radarr (automated movie downloading) and Sonarr (automated TV downloading and management) it's never been easier!
*Plex is currently on a slow path of enshittification and the only other good alternative, Jellyfin, still has some ways to go before it can pass "The Spouse Test". I myself have only had Jellyfin in testing and not yet replaced Plex with it. But that day is coming. Jellyfin is well under active development and I have no doubt it will get to feature and stability parity with Plex
You can always use the older, well established, actively developed, and stable project that Jellyfin is built from; Emby. (Jellyfin is literally Embys code from 10+ years ago)
Yea no. FUCK Emby and their bullshit, Emby is the next Plex and not in a good way. I was there 10 years ago when Jellyfin split off, so AFAIC there are only 2 viable streaming software, Plex and Jellyfin. Emby is dead to me.
I'm curious to know why you think/feel that way.
I found/started using personal streaming solutions around 8 years ago; so post-Emby/MediaBrowser split into Jellyfin.
While I started with Plex, I very quickly came to despise their always online/centralized authentication system and moved to Emby as the only alternative I'd seen/heard of at the time. From there I learned of Jellyfin and (at least some of) it's origins; though I've had 0 reason/need/desire to actually install Jellyfin as Emby works fantastically.
I've been really quite happy with Emby; particularly with their stance of not tracking/collecting userdata and maintaining Emby as a private company focused on their customers instead of investors/partners. I understand some people don't like the Premiere licensing model they use; but I think it's a good way for the developers to ensure stable income for their work; and TBH, especially with the lifetime purchase option, I think it's undervalued. Unfortunately that model is not compatible with opensource (as users just fork it to remove the paywall), which is why Jellyfin exists from what I understand.
This is going to go back quite a ways, and much of my knowledge is old at this point so some details might be off.
~15 years ago Plex as we know it started out as an OSX fork of the 0G Xbox homebrew software XBMC (Later renamed Kodi (For those who don't know, XBMC was XBox Media Center and would turn the 0g Xbox into the cheapest Home Theater PC you could get at the time, man those were the days lol))
Plex was only briefly open source and then was quickly closed when they incorporated a year or so after they had something functional. They never made any promises about not charging or being open source or anything, so that's why I'm generally fine with Plex
Sometime around 2012ish Emby came along as THE open source alternative to Plex and things were good. MOST of it was supposed to stay open source as was promised. From the beginning they kept build scripts n such closed source, probably should have caught on them, but heh ya know hindsight and all that.
Then around 2014/5 they took it all closed source, relicensed it and introduced their paywall including locking away already existing features. This is what pissed me and many others off and this is when and why Jellyfin split off promising to be truly fully open source forever. (There was a ton of drama about it at the time, but it looks like Embys Q&A thing a bit back doesn't even bother to mention it, imagine that lol)
I don't have a problem with subscriptions on open source software myself, but the way they went about it...yea. fuck em
I don't have a problem with subscriptions on open source software myself
That's kind of the root of the issue imo; having a subscription based model doesn't really work with open source as the project just gets forked every release to remove the subscription.
This leaves Emby with little option but to go closed source if they want income through subscriptions.
So, I'm not sure I understand what you mean with 'the way they went about it'. Is it the subscription you had an issue with, or the fact that they were no longer open source? What would you have done differently?
And, if you don't mind me asking: Had you supported (paid) Embys developers prior to them shifting to closed source + 'Emby Premiere'?
To be clear, I'm not trying to be argumentative or divisive; I'm just trying to understand the animosity towards Emby and why it's so often left out of the conversation, so to speak. It's something I've never been able to wrap my head around. Thanks for taking the time to chat about this.
Jellyfin pased my spouse test for local network.
I put her on tailscale for remote access but she's not a big fan of that.
Same, mine passed the test. But used only locally.
Is it not safe to expose externally with ssl yet?
I'm not worried about SSL. I'm worried about a rapidly developed open source project with lots of changes and lots of cooks in the kitchen. All it takes is a buffer overflow and one of a thousand libraries they're using. I don't know that they have a dedicated security team or even anyone really looking at that.
I wouldn't be so worried but it needs to have access to my media which is outside of my DMZ.
And I don't want to put my media into my DMZ.
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Same. Wish the world had already adopted ipv6
Why not having your own wireguard endpoint at home? Then you could additionally filter ads using adguard at home and on the go.
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Where's Jellyfin failing the spouse test? My spouse preferred it to Plex because she could turn off all the crap on the home screen.
Just general glitchiness, odd UI design choices etc. Def needs more polish
When I say Spouse Test I mean from the context of a spouse who just "doesn't do computers", if your spouse is technically inclined at all, say as a PC gamer or something and has dealt with sometimes-kinda-annoying software and has some patience, then they'll probably be fine with it
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After looking at this list I'd like to pre-qualify what I'm about to say: I have jellyfin and like it, I use jellyfin regularly. I have it pointed to the same catalog as Plex and if Plex ever gets thoroughly enshitified I will leave it for jellyfin
The biggest things I've seen (in decreasing order of pain):
transcoding can fail on media that Plex has no problems with
Jellyfin is significantly worse at detecting names and properly assigning metadata. Jellyfin does not have the same ease of fixing that when it happens that Plex has.
I'm not going to go through all the work to reverse proxy it. Nor do I trust opening it to the internet. So for her to access it outside the house she's going to be using tailscale. Kind of just extra steps for the sake of extra steps.
Finamp is a poor replacement for Plexamp, Don't get me wrong I love the fan project but it's not anywhere near as good, and it becomes quite painful to use on large audio catalogs.
The Roku client doesn't have any method to mark things as watched or unwatched or modified playlisted items.
I dislike the sections being static one row high and then having to rotate left and right through multiple things when they could just wrap.
I am super amazed that the project runs as well as it does. It's a monumental piece of open source work, but there's a lot of polish problems and I'm not qualified to help them fix them.
Quick notes from an avid jellyfin user. When you have a show or movie or whatever you want, not get identified, there's a simple identify option you can do on the client on a computer or phone by clicking the 3 dots on the media. You get to search and label it. The only time this hasn't appropriately assigned metadata for me was for shows with duplicate episodes in one mkv or whatever. That did take a lot of renaming, which did suck and is reasonable to not want to have to do. Especially for massive libraries.
I definitely agree about the roku client not having a marked as watched feature, that should be added.
There's a lot of work to be done but it's not just being done in the basic edition. For instance, there's plugins that allow the skip credits and skip intro functions you want. And there's ones for fanart, and allowing other databases of Metadata to select from. There's a lot of plugins and more are being actively developed rather often. Even I'm trying to develop a "continue watching" feature like from Netflix, but it's going slowly.
Jellyfin definitely takes more finagling than plex, i switched at the beginning of the year, but I've had multiple times since where my internet is out and because jellyfin is local network I'm still able to stream my media.
So yeah. Just some info about jellyfin. I get wanting the ease of plex, but I've personally really enjoyed adding the plugins and fucking around with everything it has.
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Fmovie is a new one I never heard of before. Good thing they mentioned it so I know to avoid it in the future.
Nevermind the decades of these sites compensating for studios just not giving a sh*t about making their content accessible to the rest of the world.
oh is it that time of year again? feels like they just published the 2023 version!
All this means to me is someone is going to make a peer to peer darkweb version of these sites sooner rather than later.
Private Trackers are the way forward.
I thought I read that private trackers are hard to sign up to. Or that you have to prove yourself somehow and people get stressed about maintaining their ratio. Is that true? If so, that doesn't sound fun.
The most elite trackers perhaps.
Trackers on /r/opensignups ? Nah they open their doors to the public every now and again.
Would not recommend it to anyone who can’t dedicate a seed box or machine uploading torrents most hours of the day every day. It’s possible to do it without those but difficult. With them it’s merely a matter of using free leech and building a buffer up as well as taking advantage of points systems to get free upload just for keeping torrents seeding even without uploading.
If you only ever grab free leech then all you have to worry about is meeting seed time and activity requirements like logging in every 90 days.
An old computer with an external drive. A raspberry pi, a nas that can run a BitTorrent client. Any would work if one doesn’t want to pay for a seed box. (Most trackers ban shared seed boxes though so you will have to get dedicated)
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You do have to get an invite, seed, and maybe toss them a small crypto donation occasionally. The ratio thing depends on the tracker but usually it's just a requirement to seed back anything for at least a week. Popular torrents become FreeLeech and they don't count against your ratio.
Because the participants are all vetted, you don't get RIAA and MPAA shills in swarm trying to vacuum up IPs to start sending nasty legal letters out.
A decade ago when I used public torrents I remember getting those stupid ISP strikes. I know shit-tier regional ISPs would even try to embarrass you with the content you pirated. They'd send you a letter like "the Copyright holder for 'Anal Hookers of Beijing' told us they're big mad at you, and if you do it again you'll get your service revoked". Some of these ISPs were integrated with cable companies so they'd freeze your internet and cable, and display the text of the copyright strike on your fucking TV for your girlfriend or grandma to see.
Fuck that noise.
Since using a private tracker I have never received a single cease and desist or ISP warning letter. Then again, I only use Bit Torrent to download Linux ISOs.
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Only the few elite ones, mostly the ones with music.
Private trackers disgust me. What kind of pirate turns away from the world, to re-seeding fragments of files they don’t care about to other cowards with slightly slower rss feeds; all for a chance at enough ratio to get the show you want? It’s a country club, with self-validating assholes, dry hot dogs, and tall fences.
The Mainline DHT is the way forward. There is no social credit here. The kids in Africa are starving, and I will throw them as much as I can, kilobyte by kilobyte, for no reason at all, for I too was a leecher once.
I seed so others may leech.
As a leecher with atrocious upload speed. Thank you so much for your service.
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It's time for me to self host a jellyfin server.
Ah yes, I'm sure this crackdown will have the result of ending piracy forever.
The year of the death of the piracy is now
I mean it's only right. Don't we all keep getting paid for work we did years ago?
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jellyfin with sonarr and radarr and now jellyseerr make the whole process simple. usenet and nzb are the way now i just wait 10 min to get the film/series i want and then watch it. a minor delay I'm more than happy with. I'd be happy to pay if, and it's a big if, the studios can catalogue all their shows in one place. i can watch without adverts. i can pay per episode if i want. I'd rather pay 50c an episode than pay for the whole service. let me curate what I want to watch on my terms. until then, the high seas win every time
The fact that nzbs are old as fuck and not one service has been taken down is weird.
They bust torrent sites every day and they don’t even host anything.
News hosters have literally petabytes of warez and nothing.
And don’t get me started with real-debrid
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Yo-ho-ho. The wife and kids love the pirate life as well. They just search what they want on Radarr or Sonarr and it pops up on Jellyfin in a few minutes. We were spending around $200/no on services with a lot less choice and lower quality.
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Still not subscribing to all the shit services. I'd rather don't watch stuff and go outside. Yeah, you heard me right, I'll rather be going fucking outside!
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Good luck locating my hard drive with several Terabytes of movies, TV shows and music.
If other sites would shut down I would share those files even if I need to send pigeons with usb sticks attached to their little feet.
Human culture is to be shared. And that is just a basic moral principle that should be engraved on Human Rights declaration.
But you'll hurt the film industry. Their last movie only made 100 million, but they expected 200 million 😿
I guess you're not talking about the Borderlands movie
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Piracy ends when content is offered in a convenient fashion. It's always been this simple and always will be. Naturally, rich and out of touch people want to believe that more authoritarianism is the solution, because they got rich through their contempt for humanity, so why should this be any different?
The thing is, as we learned with Netflix (and... everything lately), even if it starts off convenient and reasonable, that will last only long enough that they think they've cornered the market. So unless something changes to guarantee an ongoing reasonable proposition, i will never trust them again.
Fully agree.
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Honestly most of the modern movies are so bad that even nobody will most likely want to pirate them
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Good luck with that,lol
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