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"REM sleep is the next AI" (lemmy.ml)

submitted 2 months ago by cypherpunks@lemmy.ml to c/technology@lemmy.world

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/19628702

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screenshot of this bluesky post (which you can read without logging in here) from ‪@comraderobot.bsky.social‬ ("Notorious RBMK") saying:

my friend who still lives in palo alto gave me permission to share this mailer he got.

there’s unhinged and then there’s tech unhinged

image in post has two photos of people wearing EEG electrodes, one xray of a human head, an EEG data plot over a silhouette of a head, and this text:

REM sleep is the next Al

The upcoming era of physical reality integrated with dream worlds advanced by the REMspace startup

Controlling a smart home from dreams

Transferring speech from dreams

Controlling virtual cars from dreams

Interacting with dream worlds using brain implants

Social media for sharing dream journals

Smart sleep masks powered by Al

Many other breakthroughs from our lab (videos and tech)

Don't miss the pitch of the year for potential partners and investors

Aug 29th Palo Alto

Above the image is an (inaccurate) BlueSky label saying "Possible tumblr screenshot" with a "hide" button.

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the guy behind this startup:

(CW bloody photos) "I confirm the information published in the Daily Mail. On May 17, 2023, I performed by myself trepanation, electrode implantation, and electrical stimulation of my brain's motor cortex. I needed it to test brain stimulation during lucid dreaming"

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-implants-chip-brain-control-dreams-hospital-1814256

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[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I saw the tagline and thought it meant that REM sleep is the next big thing people invest in because sleep is good for your health so they're selling solutions to boost your sleep quality

Boy was I wrong

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Please Choose Your 8-Hour Ad Experience to Continue Your Free-Tier Dream

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[–] nilclass@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh, so they can't get autonomous driving to work, thus the next step is to get people who are sleeping to steer the cars remotely

[–] Opisek@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

But do I get paid for that?

[–] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They're going to ender's game you. It'll be pitched as a game or training and it'll come out it was real cars

[–] Opisek@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I will totally abide by all traffic rules when playing a virtual reality driving game in my sleep. Nothing can go wrong there.

[–] greybeard@lemmy.one 1 points 2 months ago

Well, in the case of Ender's Game, that was the point. Trick kids into thinking they were playing a game and they wouldn't think twice about being as brutal as necessary to win. So if your goal is to have cars murder people, having people control them with their dreams is a pretty good idea.

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[–] krysel@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago

Barely

[–] recklessengagement@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

This is just the game "Hypnospace Outlaw"

[–] call_me_xale@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Or the original plot of The Matrix, before the studio execs decided audiences were too stupid.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I mean, to be fair, they were.

What started as an allegory for the path of a trans person realizing they're trans and taking "the red pill" to find the reality of their world and escape "the Matrix" that forces them into a confined box in which they don't actually fit...

...turned into the dumbest bro'd out bullshit from people who think the "red pill" means you're the strongest smartest man who is has figured out society and you're a superman like Neo who can fly and shit.

Honestly, I'm on the side of executives on this one. Most people are too fucking stupid for it.

[–] kinkles@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

From what I’ve read, The Matrix wasn’t created as a trans allegory, it’s just that you can apply the fundamentals of its story to many concepts. One of the most popular interpretations happens to be gender identity because its creators transitioned years after the original trilogy ended.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Part of the script that got cut by Hollywood was literally Switch being a different gender inside the Matrix and outside.

That's literally why they were originally named "Switch." Switch is in the original film and dies in the original film. Not the sequels.

But sure, not a trans allegory.

The part that gets said is a "trans allegory" but isn't is the red pill as a stand-in for estrogen.

[–] kinkles@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I went back and looked at the articles I had read and dug a little deeper to get to an interview with Lilly Wachowski herself:

Continuing on The Matrix**, you confirmed a couple years ago that it was a trans allegory —**

No, I didn’t.

You didn’t? Tell me more.

Yeah, so that came from an interview I did for Disclosure. They had a bunch of Matrixquestions. And the question they asked me was about Switch, who was originally written as a trans character who was male in the real world and female in the matrix. And they took that response and attached the question that everyone now references that it’s a trans allegory. And so it was slightly out of context, but I don’t sit here and put a stink up about it, because it is a trans allegory in that it was written by two closeted trans women. And so all of the things that are in it are super-duper trans. The idea of transformation, even the whole “My name is Neo, Mr. Anderson —” that idea of claiming identity, it’s undeniable.

https://www.them.us/story/lilly-wachowski-mentoring-the-matrix-interview

To be honest, her statement doesn’t seem like either a denial or confirmation to me so 🤷‍♂️

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah, it sounds to me like she has issue with just that specific thing being treated as a trans allegory rather than the whole thing, the film, The Matrix, itself, as trans allegory as a whole, and the idea that it was purposeful rather than happenstance.

It sounds more like "we were closeted at the time, and we unconsciously were putting in trans allegories to our own paths and ideas" which still means its trans allegory, even if it was unintentional at the time, because they still hadn't "come out" to even themselves yet.

And so all of the things that are in it are super-duper trans. The idea of transformation, even the whole “My name is Neo, Mr. Anderson —” that idea of claiming identity, it’s undeniable.

In other words, it's undeniably trans allegory, but perhaps that wasn't consciously on their mind at the time they wrote it.

Thanks for the link, I hadn't read that one. Definitely clears it up a little.

[–] watersnipje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Glad to see I’m not the only person on earth who has played it. Such a remarkable, funny and weird game. Still trying to get that damned Seepage song out of my head.

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[–] ReynT1me@lemmy.one 0 points 2 months ago

Everyone needs to be warned about the danger of Beefbrain

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[–] fiend_unpleasant@piefed.social 0 points 2 months ago

I want to upvote the warning and downvote it contents

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The last thing I want to dream about is tweaking a thermostat.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 0 points 2 months ago

What if your feet are glued to the floor? And no matter which way you set it, it keeps getting hotter? Then you start floating while a shadowy figure sits on your chest as you're unable to move and scream a silent scream...

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Oneiromancy is the new cyberpunk

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They know that sleep isn't wasted time, right?

Your brain uses sleep and dreams to integrate memories and learning.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 0 points 2 months ago

Make the Inception device or I'm not interested.

I'm just going to go to dream Disneyland where there are no cues and time passes at a super slow rate.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago

[–] Thrife@feddit.org 0 points 2 months ago

Oh nice, I can control my smart home by dreams?

Me: *sleeps Coffee machine starts making coffee. Me: *sleeps

Can't wait!

[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 months ago

This has to be a joke

[–] Bruhh@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Doesn't this happen at the end of Dream Scenario?

[–] Jordan117@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Tbh, if it were possible to record dreams or reliably trigger vivid lucid dreams, that could be one of the most significant breakthroughs in the history of art, recreation, and psychology. The fact that some startup is trying to grift on the idea with IoT/gig economy bullshit doesn't change that.

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[–] Hazzia@infosec.pub 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

These guys are so behind the curve. I've already interacted with Dream worlds countless times using this little-known hack called "dreaming." Look it up, you won't be disappointed.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Nah, that's "lucid dreaming". Children do that often and generally unlearn it while growing up. Grownups usually forget what they dreamt and have no influence on the dream. But ld can be trained.

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[–] Vanth@reddthat.com 0 points 2 months ago

So will people pay to have Nicolas Cage in their dreams, or will they pay to not have him in their dreams?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Scenario

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