Be prepared for endless mockery no matter which direction you go. Best of luck sir.
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Bosch: never the best choice, but always a good one.
Dewalt if you want it to last forever
Milwuakee if you want to put it in a cool box
Ryobi if you're broke but dont live near a harbor freight
Festool if you have a trust fund
While I generally agree, I must say that my Ryobi tools are doing just fine after 15ish years of use. Primarily the drill is what's used, and it's seen some shit but aside from a little cosmetic issue (rubber peeling off here and there) it's in great working order. I can afford better now, but I'm happy enough to keep what I've got.
I'm just a handy home owner, so it's not like I'm abusing these things.
I started with Ryobi but they kept busting. I'm the type of home owner thatll remodel a kitchen or bathroom so I use them a little above average.
Red boxes fit all brands :)
Burn the heratic
I wish Dewalt could make half do half as good as the pack out but every new system has been a big miss.
Depends on what you're doing, and how often you're going to be doing it.
For mechanical tools, I like both Harbor Freight and Gearwrench. I like Gearwrench a lot more, but I haven't managed to break any Harbor Freight tools yet that weren't air or electric. For basic sockets, etc., it will be fine for almost everyone. (Spend more for torque wrenches though; don't cheap out on those.) HF tools have pretty limited sizes though; they don't have anything really large, like about around 25mm. Unless you are a professional mechanic, you probably shouldn't waste your money on Matco or Snap-On.
For most cordless general and woodworking tools I like Makita. For more specialized powered hand tools I love Festool, but do not try to fill a shop with them. Just get the ones that no one else makes an equivalent of, like their Rotex sanders, or the domino joiner.
For woodworking shop tools--things that aren't portable--buy old Delta or Powermatic, particularly stuff that is in no way shape or form portable. Trying to do any serious cabinetry on a job-site table saw is an exercise in frustration and wasted material. A tabletop jointer won't give you good results.
And for hand-powered cutting tool, like chisels, pull-saws, planes, etc... Be prepared to start spending a lot of money. Hand planes alone can set you back a few hundred each, like for Lee Valley 'Veritas' planes. And that's not even getting into the water stones that you're going to need to keep them working in perfect condition.
My dad gave me a set of tools when I moved out. The choice was made for me.
I have an old corded Milwaukee drill that I inherited from my dad. The torque is so strong it will fly out of your hand if you’re not careful, and the whole body is made of metal. If you happen across old tools like that, snatch em up.
In honor of my dad, I also bought a new Milwaukee to go along with it. I adore that thing.
Meh, fuck brand loyalty. Keep an eye out for used tools. If it's tough enough to make it to round 2, its demonstrated some selection bias. For some stuff you just need to weigh how much you're going to use it to decide how much you want to spend. If you're using it enough to be frustrated with it every time you take it out, time to upgrade that one.
It's the batteries that keep you in their ecosystems, they're expensive as hell.
the battery is the problem, I don't know why UE is so focused on a charging cable and seems to completely ignore this issue.
In the EU -
Makita - what most folk use
DeWalt - what posers with tan boots use
Bosch Professional (the blue stuff) - what pros use
Ryobi -
As a German Handwerksmeister: i disagree with the Bosch Thing. Bosch is more for the everyday Dude, the professionals i See are using Hilti, Festool, Milwaukee and sometimes FLEX and Makita.
No love for Einhell?
Fucking love Einhell. Cheap as chips, and you can just trash them until they die, then buy a new one
I sold all machines to customers, including Milwaukee, DeWalt, Bosch Professional, Festool, Makita and Güde. Hilti can only be bought directly.
I invited manufactures and my clients to get hands on these machines regularly.
Bosch Professional are indeed quality tools. What differs is the amount of torgue for each model.
If the smallest 18V shows up with 45 Nm people are inclined at first when comparing to a 18V 60 Nm tool. But there are other things to consider. If the power is sufficient for the task, the smaller tool may do more sinks.
Additionally, you can get all machines repaired at Bosch. Even 15 year old ones. Makita will simply prompt sorry, to old. You need to get a new one. Bosch maintains each item of the device as it and you can just buy the broken part as well.
I also got some very nice deals for customers which were not listed officially.
~~Bullshit!~~ I don't agree. Many pros use Hilti, the best brand, full stop, but crazy expensive, followed by Fein and Festool (the basic Festool circular saw is like 600€) Pros who want to pay less use any of the other "color teams", yellow, blue, red, dark blue... And yes DeWalt is 100% pro, and some pros use Bosch blue. My buddies shop uses Bosch blue for corded, but has gone Milwaukee for battery, as cordless Bosch has been hit-and-miss. I had a 80% DeWalt shop and can vouch for them. I particularly love their sliding miter saws and small, thin waist angle grinders (the unsung multitasking wonder tool). BTW. Angle grinders MUST be corded, except for a very small set of use cases. Battery angle grinders suck pig's balls.
Also Makita>Bosch blue.
Sadly Ryoby has gone full cheap DIY, like SKIL (owned by Bosch now?) I have an old maybe 18ish Ryobi (Blue) circular saw. Built like a tank, with a cast aluminum foot, that is as precise as day one. Oh well...
Ryobi garden tools are legit. I have the 40V string trimmer and 40V mower, and an 18V leaf blower, and so far I have no complaints. I once heard someone say that Ryobi tools are R&D for Milwaukee (as they are the same parent company).
My shop tools are all DeWalt because that's what my parents and wife's parents bought us for gifts.
Second harbor freight and dewalt. I work industrial maintenance and use Pittsburgh impact sockets and wrenches,and dewalt for power tools. No problems at all. If you want tool truck quality,def gear wrench and even icon(their wrenches were tested and proven to beat snap on),for a fraction of cost. I use and abuse a set of icon chrome sockets,and they take a beating and keep going.
Genuine question, is there some reason you can mix and match tools?
assuming you mean *can't
if cordless: batteries
else: brand cuckery
I’m sorry, is this some sort of suburban thing that I’m too metrosexual renter to understand? All I have or need are sundry decent-quality hand tools and a plug-in electric drill.
I mean that's all most people would need. It's more of the "oh I have this tool and this is other tool on sale and it takes the same batteries".
I'm also in an apartment so I just have basic hand tools and an electric screwdriver.
I'm a big fan of buying power tools twice. I happen to go Ryobi for the first round but Harbor Freight / Northern Tool are probably similar.
If you can stand the fuss, buy corded tools and skip the brand loyalty that comes with batteries.
The biggest killer of cheaper power tools is generally heat. There are plastic components in the drive train. They hold up great to short jobs, but heat is their kryptonite. If you let a Ryobi tool cool down whenever you notice it getting warm to the touch it'll last a long time. If you need to run a tool for hours at a time then skip the fuss and go straight to a more brand with a good reputation like DeWalt, Makita, Bosch, or Milwaukee.
Depends if you use your tools to make money.
I do, so I spend good money on good quality with good warranty.
In Australia that's snappon for hand tools and Milwaukee for power tools.
It costs me a lot of time if I have to go back and buy a broken tool again.
Time is money
I always start with harbor freight. When I break that one, I buy a nice version of whatever it was. I don't buy "nice" tools very often. HF is nearly always "good enough."
I had a Harbor Height cordless drill that worked just fine for like six years, to my surprise and delight. I'm a light duty user, so I upgraded to a brushless Ryobi.
My wife and I have been abusing our Ryobi for like 10 years. I thought it was finally dying, but then I got a new battery, still going strong.
Ryobi cordless tools because I'm a light duty user. Wiha screwdrivers because I'm worth it (and they are worth it). And the nice Hakko soldering tools because I use those more.
Yep. Had a family member buy me Ryobi and 2 batteries. Guess I'm a Ryobi man now
There's nothing wrong with going back to old hand tools that were made when James K. Polk was in the White House. Who needs a DeWalt when you've got a hand drill?
Hear hear. Back in my day you had to earn your musculoskeletal chronic pains, they were not handed to you easily like today.
Makita. Best tools that aren't stupid expensive.
In Europe, LIDL's Parkside lineup is fantastic. The battery lineup is a system, with two battery types, a 12V and a 20V. Their battery and charger lineup is great, cheap and reliable. A 2Ah is 20€, and an 8Ah for 50€. The 8Ah has bluetooth (I thought it was a gimmick, but is surprisingly useful!)
The range is astounding, having tools that no major brand has. I have a convertible saw that can be a sawzall or a jigsaw that has no right to work so well as it does in both modes, or a tiny rotary drill, smaller than a full size battery hammer drill, that is a little beast.
I used to own a sign shop so I kind of know a bit about these tools. Sign shops work with almost all materials, from metal to wood to plastics, to concrete and masonry, so the range of power tools we had was bewildering. My shop was team yellow with the odd Hitachi, now Hikoki. When I closed the shop I kept some of them. DeWalt is very, very good, but for DIY purposes, LIDL's Parkside is my go to now.
I would place much, but not all the lineup at prosumer level, with features like all-metal one-hand-locking chucks, metal gearcases, brushless versions, and more.
I hate this so much that because of their proprietary battery slots you have to stick with one brand. And I can't understand how this is even legal in UE when they spend so much time and resources to push usb-c as a standard and even made Apple bend. Why would you allow this, it's much worse than a cable on ecological level
(I'm not saying that usb-c was a bad thing, far from it!)
You can buy adaptors to put bosh batteries in devalt tools.
I agree, but in the mean time you can buy adapters that allow us to use mix-and-match batteries with other brands. Just search aliexpress for strings like "Makita or (insert brand here) battery adapter.
I'm ordering a LIDL parkside battery to DeWalt XRP adapter. There are compatible batteries for around 20€, but I have a few LIDL Parkside tools now, and only a couple of Dewalts.
Most consumer tools are made by like 2 or 3 companies, they all have different colors but are largely the same guts within a parent company's holdings.
Direct tools factory outlet is run by TTI. Milwaukee, Rigid, Ryobi are all made by TTI. Stanley Black and Decker owns Dewalt, Black and Decker (duh), Craftsman, MAC Tools and Porter cable.
Bauer and Hercules are doin their own thing but the batteries are pretty decent.
https://www.protoolreviews.com/power-tool-manufacturers-who-owns-them/
Going to work on cars? Milwaukee. Not going to work on cars? Can save a few bucks with Dewalt, the nailguns and saws are real nice. I say this as someone who has a LOT of Ryobi but they just don't work as well as the better stuff. If I had either of the two big brands I could probably ditch my corded circular, jig and reciprocating saws. Same with the 4in grinder.
Hand tools just mix and match, they don't need to be the same brand.
Do what I do with every aspect in life. Mix and match. Brand loyalty is for the 50s and should remain there. When brands are not loyal to their customers, their customers should not be loyal to the brands. Plus, you get better tools for cheaper, overall. Though, this works less with power tools due to the proprietary batteries...