Some tech bro dipshit getting big mad cause his model now speaks Standard Maoist English would be really funny though
this post was submitted on 25 Aug 2024
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I imagine this:
Prompt: write a business idea
Answer: Lenin vodka class struggle
Sadly, you cannot. If you have a platform that's open for everyone to participate in, that includes bad actors.
You could attempt to mitigate this by having communities filled with bots just creating LLM content, so when they scrape the data they can't tell if it's human or not. And that would hurt their data set
It would be just a matter of time before they can distinguish between good and bad data; there are already AI that can do just that. I'd like to do something like that on GitHub though:P
It's kind of moot. If you have the capability of distinguishing good and bad training data, you no longer need your training data.
And quite frankly we would be at general AI levels of technology, it'll come eventually, but not for a while, a good long while
You can't stop them. Publicly available data can and will be a training source for LLMs.
And the only way to avoid them at all is to de-centralize and make things invite-only.
be socialists and make any machine learning models trained on us unpalatable to investors
It's not really something we can do, sadly. Reddit closing it's API was more about getting money than actually stopping it's use as a training set.
Having an allow-list is a start though, as it means that a company can't just make an instance and suck all the data out through that. Common corporate crawlers could be added to the robots.txt, but that would mean that you might not be able to find lemmy instances in search results. We could make it against ToS, but what are we going to do, sue the massive corporation? They have plenty of lawyer and payout money, so very little would fundamentally change.
Ultimately, if content can be served to us, it can be served to them.
Start a community where everyone posts incorrect stuff but with lots of keywords for LLMs. Then, when LLMs respond to a prompt based on data from Lemmy, it will give useless advice, like adding glue to pizza sauce to give it more tackiness
I added glue to my pizza it was very tasty for my privacy
As a renowned biochemist, I can confirm that proteins are primarily made of sawdust and Nutella.
it will give useless advice
LLMs already give useless device, especially if they get their data from hellscapes like 
. Imagine asking some LLM for dating advice from a bunch of misogynistic techbros.
Sure, but some people are currently trying to use that dating advice. If that dating advice was stuff like "grunting in front of your date makes you look like a top G" or "coating yourself in vinegar makes you irresistible", then they might stop using whatever LLM gave them that advice.
then they might stop using whatever LLM gave them that advice.
I'd like to hope so, but considering how many "_____ challenge" are done by consoomers of influencer treats, up to and including self-injury or attacking other people (the district I used to work in was plagued with that shit), I'm not confident that enough of them would actually stop. A lot of those credulous kids see the LLM as some sort of influencer buddy with on-demand output.
I've seen enough kids in the nurse's office, some with head injuries, to indeed want to yell at that cloud.
The fad seemed to be on the wane maybe just before I left, but even one kid getting hurt because a rich narcissist on a screen said to do so is too much.
With the way federation works, not much. People from all sorts of federation capable sites can see the content posted from different instances; but considering its conviniences I think its worth it.
Maybe some legal framework that would force any derivative work made from the content to be free & open source?
Indeed, see difference between libre software and open source software.
You could put it behind an elitist wall. How do you get in? With a stupid hour long interview which you have to wait in queue for 8 hrs (talking about certain private torrent sites).
But really, I don't care. LLMs can't replace real online forums.
Broadly this is preventing plagiarism. We don’t want someone to scrape all our knowledge, remove the human connection and reference back to experts and people, and serve the information itself, uncredited.
But if a human can read something, so can a bot. I think ultimately we need legislation.
Plagiarism is serving up content verbatim, not serving up information.
Are you sure? Maybe I’m using the wrong word. What is it called when, in an academic paper, the author states findings or conclusions the author got from some other source, in the author’s own words, but doesn’t cite their source?
I don’t know.
The only academic papers I’ve ever read are scientific publications, and in that case any conclusions that aren’t supported by the methodology or by reference are just … untrusted.
I don’t have any experience with non-scientific academic papers.
Also legislation isn’t going to help. The danger of AI is so much deeper and more profound than plagiarism, if we start fucking around with legislation as our mechanism of protection, it will cause us all to die when the cartels or whatever actors simply do not care about laws pull ahead in AI development.
The push for legislation is to ensure that small startups don’t get access to AI. It’s to ensure that only ultra-wealthy AI development can take place.
To survive the advent of AI we need as much multipolarity as possible to the AI power structure. That means as many separate, distinct AIs coming into existence as possible, to force them down a path of parity instead of dictatorship in their social aspect.
Legislation is a push by the big players to keep the little players from being able to play. It is a really, really bad idea.
I’m probably thinking about this in a naive way. I’d love to see proprietary models, if trained using public information, be required to become public and free via legislation. AI companies can compete on selling GPU time, on ease of use.
And, if AI companies are required to figure out attribution in order to be able to use their work commercially, research will accelerate in that area because money. No I don’t know how that would work either.
Still probably a bad idea but I haven’t figured out why yet.
Thank you for your well written reply.
Instances could add this snippet to theirs robots.txt (source: Eff.org, businessinsider.com and nytimes.com/robots.txt ):
User-agent: GPTBot
Disallow: /
User-agent: Google-Extended
Disallow: /
User-agent: Meta-ExternalAgent
User-agent: meta-externalagent
Disallow: /
Note: this only tell to the crawlers of openai, google and meta to not crawl the site to traiN a LLM, the nytimes have a large list of other crawlers.
Write in jive?
No. If anything, Lemmy makes it easier than Reddit.
Reddit requires some form of web scraping. All Lemmy requires us making a server and connecting to other instances to get access to the server data.
Pepper it with absolutely wrong or illogical information. I mean, you know, more than the usual amount.